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_C_ April 6 2013 03:27 AM

Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
I'm not talking about the experiments. We already know all about that. I mean on a more interpersonal level. Children often take after their parents or whoever raised them. I've been watching close now, and I've noticed quite a few of Odo's mannerisms mirror Doctor Mora's. I got quite a giggle from it. Here's some photographic evidence.

http://i.imgur.com/zcdnQtC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZyYlWGC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5B88gxn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PJLIh9v.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SBzrkHw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sg5qczV.jpg

Tosk April 6 2013 04:27 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if James Sloyan did it on purpose.

_C_ April 6 2013 04:39 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
Me either, but I think it's really interesting. I can't help wondering if Odo does it unconsciously or if he knows and just doesn't care. I know I have a lot of my mom's mannerisms, and I don't realize I'm doing them until I catch myself. >>;

R. Star April 6 2013 04:43 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
Mora was his model for the humanoid form. They act alike, they even look alike. Makes perfect sense they had Mora's actor mimic Odo's mannerisms to demonstrate this paternal bond.

_C_ April 6 2013 05:33 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
He's had more of an influence on Odo than Odo cares to admit.

It makes me sad when people say Doctor Mora is a creepy abusive jerk. He gets condescending sometimes, and he can be arrogant and stubborn(GEE WHERE DID ODO GET IT? lol), but he's not abusive.

I'm still trying to figure out tumblr, but my friend (a guy named "Moosey") showed me a post where somebody totally tore Doctor Mora up like he was some kind of villain. I just found it and I'll quote it and what Moosey said in reply behind spoiler tags. They're pretty long and I found them interesting. What does everyone else think of the argument below?



Mr_Homn May 7 2013 05:54 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
James Sloyan is one of the best recurring Trek actors ever. I wish he was utilized more.

lurok May 7 2013 07:40 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
Ditto. That's one of my favourite DS9 episodes, as is his S1 VOY ep with Neelix. Sloyan seems to bring out the best in his co-stars. I like the fact that he didn't try use any of the usual actor-bag-of-tricks to make either of his characters sympathetic

Mr_Homn May 9 2013 04:21 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
Quote:

lurok wrote: (Post 8053129)
Ditto. That's one of my favourite DS9 episodes, as is his S1 VOY ep with Neelix. Sloyan seems to bring out the best in his co-stars. I like the fact that he didn't try use any of the usual actor-bag-of-tricks to make either of his characters sympathetic

His role as Admiral Jarok in TNG is one of the best guest performances in that show's history IMO

He was great as Future Alexander too.

_C_ May 9 2013 07:24 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
He was also the voiceover on some Lexus commercials, I think. :P Any excuse to geek out!

I think he made Mora Pol out to be really interesting just because of the influence he's had on Odo. I wish he'd been on the series more. Oh well, that's what fanfiction is for. :D


ETA: What's interesting is they almost cast Rene Auberjonois in the role of Mora ala Brent Spiner as Soong, but for some reason they chose not to and Mora's role was expanded a little as a result.

R. Star May 9 2013 09:48 PM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
Quote:

Mr_Homn wrote: (Post 8061268)
Quote:

lurok wrote: (Post 8053129)
Ditto. That's one of my favourite DS9 episodes, as is his S1 VOY ep with Neelix. Sloyan seems to bring out the best in his co-stars. I like the fact that he didn't try use any of the usual actor-bag-of-tricks to make either of his characters sympathetic

His role as Admiral Jarok in TNG is one of the best guest performances in that show's history IMO

He was great as Future Alexander too.

I knew he was Jetrel and Future Alexander... never realized he was Jarok though. Best Romulan ever! Shoot, this guy should've gotten a long term role like Dukat/Weyoun/Damar/Martok/Nog with all the great roles he's played!

_C_ May 9 2013 09:52 PM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
^ http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/James_Sloyan

This guy is everywhere.

JirinPanthosa May 10 2013 04:18 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
I see Mora as somebody who didn't realize what affect he had on Odo. He was angry that Odo saw him as a captor rather than a father, but then he realized, he kind of acted like a captor.

Mora wanted appreciation for helping Odo develop into who he was, but he didn't realize that having absolute power over somebody is inherently offensive to that person no matter how you apply that power. I saw genuine remorse when he came to that realization.

_C_ May 10 2013 08:41 PM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
I tend to write him in fanfics as wanting to heal that rift and feeling a lot of regret for not realizing sooner how much he'd hurt Odo.

It was a great dynamic on the show. Wish we could've seen more of it.

DonIago May 10 2013 09:28 PM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
I really loved the Mora and Odo parts of the Terok Nor trilogy.

Mora may have been Odo's captor, but he was also a captive himself.

Anwar May 11 2013 06:06 AM

Re: Doctor Mora's influence on Odo.
 
They both had something to learn about their behavior. Mora learned that Odo didn't exactly appreciate all that Mora put him through, but eventually Odo came to realize that Mora really did care about him and how painful it felt to have someone you cared about simply walk out on you and shut you out of their life (not exactly what happened with the Baby Changling, but the feeling of loss was similar).

By the end of "Begotten" they've both finally come to terms with one another and were able to form a proper bond (pun intended).


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