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Deck 1 - Bridge March 31 2013 10:43 PM

Kruge, and Genesis
 
I saw a clip from TSFS this morning and something occured to me that I thought I'd share, I'm sure others have noticed it too.

Kruge beams down to Genesis and, at gunpoint, tells everyone except Kirk to move away from the immediate area. Why did the others leave Spock at that point? Kruge was clear, 'everyone except Kirk' was to move away for beam-out. Why go all that way, with all that danger, to leave the person they came for when there was nothing forbidding them moving him?

Arrggghhh!!! Plot devices!!!!!

Tiberius April 1 2013 07:29 AM

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The didn't go to the planet for a person, they went for the secret of Genesis. Kruge separated the others so he could beam them up to his ship. And as far as Kruge was concerned, Spock was just some guy near death. Worthless to him. The others couldn't get to him because Kruge would shoot them, or worse, shoot Spock. Meanwhile, Kruge would have it out with Kirk. That way he'd be remembered as the badass dude who got the Genesis secret AND killed Kirk. Kruge thought he had what he wanted with Saavik, after all.

Deck 1 - Bridge April 1 2013 08:06 AM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 7882021)
The didn't go to the planet for a person, they went for the secret of Genesis. Kruge separated the others so he could beam them up to his ship. And as far as Kruge was concerned, Spock was just some guy near death. Worthless to him. The others couldn't get to him because Kruge would shoot them, or worse, shoot Spock. Meanwhile, Kruge would have it out with Kirk. That way he'd be remembered as the badass dude who got the Genesis secret AND killed Kirk. Kruge thought he had what he wanted with Saavik, after all.

I'm talking about the Enterprise crew, as per my post, not Kruge. He told everyone, except Kirk, to move away. My question is, that being the case, why did the Enterprise crew who were told to move away leave Spock on the floor when they could have taken him?

I think you've got the wrong of the stick my friend.

Therin of Andor April 1 2013 08:35 AM

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Deck 1 - Bridge wrote: (Post 7882087)
why did the Enterprise crew who were told to move away leave Spock on the floor when they could have taken him?

It was the crucial day when Leonard Nimoy got to decide if he was done being Spock or not. Had the crew taken Spock off Genesis at that particular point, the character could have been played by Joe W Davis for several more movies!

MauriceNavidad April 1 2013 10:03 AM

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Yeah, that was never going to happen.

The Festivus Awakens April 1 2013 02:53 PM

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Maybe they were concerned about moving Spock with all the rapid changes his body had gone through.

sonak April 1 2013 03:48 PM

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they needed Spock to age a little more to the point where he looked like Leonard Nimoy.

sbk1234 April 11 2013 03:40 PM

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It was an important plot complication.

R. Star April 11 2013 03:46 PM

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Probably because Krudge would've shot them if they delayed. The guy had already demonstrated that he was pretty trigger happy.

Marsden April 11 2013 05:34 PM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 7929709)
Probably because Krudge would've shot them if they delayed. The guy had already demonstrated that he was pretty trigger happy.


I think this is the right answer.

I see it like this.

Enterprise crew: "Spock we found you, we traveled far and broke the rules and fought Klingons to find you!"
Kruge beams down: "Get over there or else!"
Enterprise crew: "See ya Spock, gotta go!"

:guffaw:

I think a pissed off, trigger happy Klingon trumps all niceties in any circumstances.

Therin of Andor April 11 2013 05:46 PM

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sonak wrote: (Post 7883041)
they needed Spock to age a little more to the point where he looked like Leonard Nimoy.

No, because the final transformation happens after the missed opportunity to beam him up with the others.

FormerLurker April 14 2013 05:45 AM

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They're saying that's the reason they left him behind, Therin.

Therin of Andor April 22 2013 03:06 AM

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FormerLurker wrote: (Post 7942030)
They're saying that's the reason they left him behind, Therin.

So was I. The line can be read to mean the opposite, it seems.

publiusr April 27 2013 08:38 PM

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I think Kruge was being a sadist. He knew of Kirk and Spock's close friendship, and wanted to make sure they died--he wanted Kirk to see Spock die a second time--that was my take.

Peach Wookiee April 29 2013 10:46 PM

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That is a possibility, but wouldn't it require Kruge knowing who his young Vulcan prisoner was?


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