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secretreeve March 26 2013 07:21 PM

Trek Keyboards
 
So while the fire department puts out the gas boiler thats on fire over the road a thought crossed my mind.

Why dont we have more LCARS keyboards?

The traditional keyboard layout is adopted from type writers because when they where common place, it was the only layout that stopped the character hammers from getting tangled when typing relatively fast. The layout was translated into the PC world for familiarity and ease of transition.

But lets face it, the world changes. Voice recognition software is coming along and keyboards are becoming less and less important. So why not compact them, and change them to something more versatile like the LCARS type controls?

Sure, you can still use your generic old school keyboard but its time for a change and the entire way computers are being used is leaning more and more towards touch interfaces, so the traditional keyboard is soon going to find itself in a world where its no longer required. Why not make that change sooner?

The Mirrorball Man March 26 2013 07:28 PM

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What about when you want to type text?

secretreeve March 26 2013 09:14 PM

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thats the voice recognitions that take over, you wouldn't need to type really, just dictate.

Or the pads could just change mode from command type to text type, just a different layout.

C.E. Evans March 26 2013 09:48 PM

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secretreeve wrote: (Post 7854424)
So while the fire department puts out the gas boiler thats on fire over the road a thought crossed my mind.

Why dont we have more LCARS keyboards?

The traditional keyboard layout is adopted from type writers because when they where common place, it was the only layout that stopped the character hammers from getting tangled when typing relatively fast. The layout was translated into the PC world for familiarity and ease of transition.

It wasn't just for that. The "QWERTY" format was also adopted because of its practicality in the office world. For skilled typists, the placement of letters allows words to be typed with the left hand, while the right hand has access both to the cursor buttons and the numeric keypad.
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But lets face it, the world changes. Voice recognition software is coming along and keyboards are becoming less and less important. So why not compact them, and change them to something more versatile like the LCARS type controls?
Primarily because LCARS is just made up stuff for a TV show. Our heroes can do all sorts of stuff on LCARS interfaces, including typing text and codes with buttons marked only with tiny little numbers due to magic of TV.

But as far as keyboards becoming less and less important, I would argue that they would still be important as long as there's a need to write messages or text to people. They may disappear when the need for people to write does, though.

Brown-Eyed Ghoul March 26 2013 09:54 PM

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There was a discussion on this topic some months ago. If you're going to type text with any degree of speed or efficiency, you need the tactile sensation of pressing individual keys. Touch screens just won't do the job. The traditional QWERTY keyboard layout has been around for more than 130 years, and it's not going to become obsolete anytime soon.

jayrath March 26 2013 09:55 PM

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Voice recognition software currently is still pretty awful.

Actually, I wonder why the helm isn't outfitted with a mouse. ;)

secretreeve March 26 2013 10:05 PM

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jayrath wrote: (Post 7855207)
Voice recognition software currently is still pretty awful.

Actually, I wonder why the helm isn't outfitted with a mouse. ;)

cause if it was up to microsoft it'd be an over priced x=box controller not a mouse lol

_C_ March 27 2013 12:12 AM

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^ And you'd need helmets for how often it crashes. *BURN*

secretreeve March 27 2013 01:01 AM

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not forgetting something to hit when the "apps" dont to what they are meant to

The Mirrorball Man March 27 2013 05:50 AM

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secretreeve wrote: (Post 7854991)
thats the voice recognitions that take over, you wouldn't need to type really, just dictate.

In work in a newsroom with fifteen other people. Do you really think we should dictate everything we write out loud?

Elvira March 27 2013 06:03 AM

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secretreeve wrote: (Post 7854991)
thats the voice recognitions that take over, you wouldn't need to type really, just dictate.

But I can type faster than I can talk. Plus voice recognition software can't seem to handle my accent.

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Timo March 27 2013 10:36 AM

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And if the computer can properly recognize your voice, what possible purpose could a keyboard of any sort serve? If you don't need a button for the letter G, why would you need a button for anything else, either?

As for touchscreens vs. tactile feedback, there's no reason the two should be mutually exclusive. Indeed, a keyboard where the keys are not physically protruding objects as such, but mere virtual creations with pseudo-physical characteristics (such as buzzing your finger when you press), would be advantageous in having the ability to move the key for letter G beneath your finger even when you are in danger of missing it.

Timo Saloniemi

The Mirrorball Man March 27 2013 11:05 AM

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Timo wrote: (Post 7857814)
And if the computer can properly recognize your voice, what possible purpose could a keyboard of any sort serve?

I've cited a very convincing example just two posts above yours.

Robert Comsol March 27 2013 11:50 AM

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Interestingly, they were far ahead of their time in the TOS pilots.

In "The Cage" / "The Menagerie" Spock was doing his "power point" presentation of the Talos star group by the move of his right hand without touching a panel or a button.

And in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" Gary Mitchell just activated a component on his console by letting his hand pass over the console without ever touching it.

Unfortunately, in "The Corbomite Maneuver" they went back to the traditional pushing of buttons.

Bob

Timo March 27 2013 12:07 PM

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I've cited a very convincing example just two posts above yours.
You misunderstand - I wanted to postulate a hypothetical situation where voice recognition (or, say, telepathic recognition) works with absolute perfection, come hell or high water or the noises of a newsroom. It now perfectly takes your dictation. What then?

The OP seems to want an input device that does away with the inputting of text by typing. Well, now he has got it. What possible use could he now have for a keyboard, be it a dull QWERTY one or a flashy LCARS one? Everything he could ever want input can now be input the same way his keyboard-sidestepping dictation can.

Timo Saloniemi


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