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jimbotron March 25 2013 08:39 AM

David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
As I'm sure many are aware, actor David Rappaport (notably from Time Bandits) was the original Kivas Fajo. However he killed himself, and had to be replaced by Saul Rubinek at the last minute.

I looked at the dates, and was surprised by what I saw. I always assumed that he killed himself early into the production, and had to be replaced because he hadn't finished his scenes. He killed himself on May 2, and the episode aired on May 7.

I thought episodes were normally shot weeks in advance. For example, Drumhead aired in April 1991, but was shot in February. So did David shoot all his scenes, and was replaced only because they didn't want to use his footage anymore, or were they working up to the last minute? Did they have to work around crazy schedules with their guest stars, even if it meant shooting them a couple days before airing?

Either way, it's amazing that they reshot all the Kivas scenes and had the episode on the air 5 days after losing their guest star. Rappaport killed himself in San Fernando Valley, so I guess he was in town for TNG. I didn't know production could be so last minute.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._Rappaport.jpg

yousirname March 25 2013 10:27 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
IIRC they replaced him after he initially attempted suicide and he succeeded not long after.

GSchnitzer March 25 2013 10:37 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
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jimbotron wrote: (Post 7847674)
However he killed himself, and had to be replaced by Saul Rubinek at the last minute.

I think Rappaport was replaced after a suicide attempt earlier (in March), not after the actual suicide in May.

jimbotron March 25 2013 08:14 PM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
OK thanks. The Wikis weren't too specific differentiating the attempt and the actual suicide. I assumed they were one and the same.

davejames March 26 2013 12:10 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
Not sure what Rappaport would have been like in the role (shame we probably won't see those deleted scenes on the blu-ray set), but I have to admit I've never been too impressed with Rubinek's version of the character.

He's obviously a good actor, and I know he was only filling in at the last minute, but I still thought he came across way too generic and lightweight in the role.

Kelthaz March 26 2013 12:50 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
SFDebris fan, huh?

Maxwell Everett March 26 2013 12:58 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
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davejames wrote: (Post 7850779)
Not sure what Rappaport would have been like in the role (shame we probably won't see those deleted scenes on the blu-ray set)

Robert Meyer Burnett has hinted on Twitter that he has cut those scenes together for the first time in 23 years and they will be on the S3 set. In other words, this is the surprise extra that wasn't included in the official lists of extras.

davejames March 26 2013 01:37 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
Wow, very cool!

yousirname March 26 2013 01:38 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
Y'know, I'm not sure I want to see that. It seems a bit macabre.

And I just can't get enough Saul Rubinek, in any case. I'll admit that the character didn't exactly stretch his range, but it fell for the most part within that range anyway, or so I've always felt. Just can't wait to see it in HD. S3 is when TNG comes into its own and starts being really, properly good.

Tosk March 26 2013 03:40 AM

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yousirname wrote: (Post 7851181)
Y'know, I'm not sure I want to see that. It seems a bit macabre.

Surely it's no worse than say, The Crow or Gladiator?

M'rk, son of Mogh March 26 2013 03:46 AM

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Tosk wrote: (Post 7851676)
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yousirname wrote: (Post 7851181)
Y'know, I'm not sure I want to see that. It seems a bit macabre.

Surely it's no worse than say, The Crow or Gladiator?

Or The Dark Knight!!

erastus25 March 26 2013 04:03 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
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davejames wrote: (Post 7850779)
Not sure what Rappaport would have been like in the role (shame we probably won't see those deleted scenes on the blu-ray set), but I have to admit I've never been too impressed with Rubinek's version of the character.

He's obviously a good actor, and I know he was only filling in at the last minute, but I still thought he came across way too generic and lightweight in the role.

Funny, I thought he was perfect. To each his/her own...

Mitty March 26 2013 04:40 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
I really enjoyed "The Most Toys" for a lot of reasons. I certainly had no idea about this until some years later and always thought Saul Rubinek did a great job.

So, sorry if I'm missing it but did he complete all his scenes and they chose not to use them, or was it only partially completed when he died and therefore they had to reshoot the Fajo portions?

I also recall reading somewhere that they did "toy" with building the set of his ship for Rappaports size (though I'm not sure how he would have displayed Data in such a small space). Luckily for them they didn't or it's possible the entire episode might have been dumped.

I still think the key moment from this episode is of course when Data is being beamed back and his phaser is in discharge. Did Data lie? Was it simply a natural deduction of his program to attempt to kill Fajo, and it was simply good timing that he didn't end up doing so? To me this is one of the most intriguing questions from TNG and it was a shame it wasn't somehow followed up later.

jimbotron March 26 2013 06:47 AM

Re: David Rappaport in "The Most Toys"
 
Oh, interesting. I hope the original scenes are included. That's up there with seeing the full Eric Stoltz footage for Back to the Future for me. Mostly a pipe dream.

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Kelthaz wrote: (Post 7850965)
SFDebris fan, huh?

I'd been wondering for a while, but yes, SFDebris jogged my memory. He barely mentioned the suicide though, surprisingly.

yousirname March 26 2013 12:41 PM

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Tosk wrote: (Post 7851676)
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yousirname wrote: (Post 7851181)
Y'know, I'm not sure I want to see that. It seems a bit macabre.

Surely it's no worse than say, The Crow or Gladiator?

I kind of feel like it's a little different, mostly because he killed himself rather than death by accident or misadventure.

It's only a preference of mine, it's not like I'm going to stand in judgement on anyone who does want to see it. :techman:


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