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The Overlord March 23 2013 06:50 AM

A New Star Trek Show Will Need a Stronger Focus on Characterization
 
A new Star Trek show will need a stronger focus on characterization, it can't have bland one note characters like Harry Kim or Travis Mayweather who add nothing to the show. If a character is on show they should serve a real purpose and be important and compelling.

C.E. Evans March 23 2013 10:04 AM

Re: A New Star Trek Show Will Need a Stronger Focus on Characterizatio
 
Forget that characterization stuff. Lots of explosions and boobies will definitely make a future show a big hit.

Seriously, though, I'm inclined to think a new Trek show will have a smaller cast of main characters (4 to 5), with other positions filled in with reoccurring characters when a story requires them. Under that scenario, a tighter focus on the main characters will be kinda unavoidable, IMO, especially with the TNG, VOY, & ENT style of storytelling being over with Rick Berman's departure.

Bry_Sinclair March 23 2013 10:18 AM

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Totally agree.

Have interesting, compelling, well thought out and engaging characters, rather than having to fill the helm with a series regular, squeezing in a character of a different colour, or making it all about the boobs.

It'd be interesting to see a new series scale back the number of main characters. Saying that however, DS9 had by for the biggest cast of main and recurring and was also the most consistent with development.

Plus the big explosions helped :lol:

timelord1010 March 23 2013 05:15 PM

Re: A New Star Trek Show Will Need a Stronger Focus on Characterizatio
 
DS9 was one of my favorite shows period. They used every character fully, both recurring or main. I could never figure out what the point was for the character of Travis Mayweather. Harry Kim had a lot of scenes and major parts in several episodes while Mayweather had possibly less screen time than Morn on DS9.

I would be great to see a new Trek series with a smaller core of main characters. I'm still holding out hope for a Titan series or a one off Sulu Direct to DVD movie.

Relayer1 March 23 2013 05:33 PM

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7838530)
A new Star Trek show will need a stronger focus on characterization, it can't have bland one note characters like Harry Kim or Travis Mayweather who add nothing to the show. If a character is on show they should serve a real purpose and be important and compelling.

Yup, like DS9 !

Temis the Vorta March 23 2013 06:32 PM

Re: A New Star Trek Show Will Need a Stronger Focus on Characterizatio
 
A new Star Trek series will have to be made to appeal to a cable or streaming (Netflix, Amazon) audience because broadcast alone can't pay the bills for a niche genre like outer-space sci fi. Broadcast can barely eke out survival level ratings for cop shows and sitcoms anymore.

CBS is hanging on because they still have the remnants of the mass audience of yore, but elsewhere it's all about niche markets and getting enough $$$ from a smaller audience to make it worthwhile. That pushes anything inherently pricey, like space opera, towards the more lucrative subscription model vs. ads.

So that means that the next series will dispense with a lot of elements that were suited for the broadcast ecosystem - it will be less episodic (maybe fully serialized), have more focus on realistic and consistent characterization, and be geared more towards adult tastes, which doesn't necessarily mean Showtime sex & nudity but would give them a freer hand with violence, moral ambiguity and complex themes.

Unless it's a cartoon for kids of course, in which case it will be a lot like The Clone Wars. Same idea though - first, we need to know who the audience is, then we'll know what it will be like.

And the audience won't be "Trekkies" because there is no Trekkie Channel. It'll be made for the Showtime audience, the Cartoon Network audience, maybe half-and-half CBS and Amazon (like Under the Dome, coming out this summer). Each of those scenarios implies a very different approach.


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Relayer1 wrote: (Post 7839964)
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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7838530)
A new Star Trek show will need a stronger focus on characterization, it can't have bland one note characters like Harry Kim or Travis Mayweather who add nothing to the show. If a character is on show they should serve a real purpose and be important and compelling.

Yup, like DS9 !

Even DS9 is too broadcasty anymore. I can't see them getting away with those dire Ferengi comedies, or the canned romance-of-the-week episodes, or characters who seem to forget they're at war for weeks at a time. It will be like the War Arc episodes of DS9. With all the options available, audiences won't stand for anything other than Exactly What I Want. That's what's behind the armegeddon taking place in broadcast ratings right now.

Admiral Buzzkill March 24 2013 12:46 AM

Re: A New Star Trek Show Will Need a Stronger Focus on Characterizatio
 
There's no reason the studio would use DS9 as the model for a new Trek series - they'll continue to look toward the most commercially successful examples from the past, not the fan-favorite niche shows.

AviTrek March 24 2013 03:11 AM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 7838845)
Totally agree.

Have interesting, compelling, well thought out and engaging characters, rather than having to fill the helm with a series regular, squeezing in a character of a different colour, or making it all about the boobs.

It'd be interesting to see a new series scale back the number of main characters. Saying that however, DS9 had by for the biggest cast of main and recurring and was also the most consistent with development.

Plus the big explosions helped :lol:

Look at the character list on Mad Med. It's not the number of characters, it's how you use them.

mos6507 March 24 2013 06:56 AM

Re: A New Star Trek Show Will Need a Stronger Focus on Characterizatio
 
DS9 used all its characters, but most of them were not particularly likeable. That's the main reason to avoid that model.

TREK_GOD_1 March 24 2013 09:15 AM

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timelord1010 wrote: (Post 7839916)
DS9 was one of my favorite shows period. They used every character fully, both recurring or main. I could never figure out what the point was for the character of Travis Mayweather. .

He was a token; they wanted an African American for the sake of it, but did not care to write for the character. He was nothing more than a racial prop. Just one of an endless number of problems with that series.

GSchnitzer March 24 2013 03:58 PM

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TREK_GOD_1 wrote: (Post 7843354)
Just one of an endless number of problems with that series.

I think the number of problems with that series did, in fact, after a time, come to an end.

The Overlord March 24 2013 04:31 PM

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My Name Is Legion wrote: (Post 7841812)
There's no reason the studio would use DS9 as the model for a new Trek series - they'll continue to look toward the most commercially successful examples from the past, not the fan-favorite niche shows.

Except DS9 is most like a modern TV show then the other Trek shows. Really most of the good TV shows on cable focus on characterization and ongoing plots.

A new Star Trek show will have to be a show of this era, not try to be a show from the 60s or 80s.

RandyS March 24 2013 05:06 PM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 7838815)
Forget that characterization stuff. Lots of explosions and boobies will definitely make a future show a big hit.

You may think you're joking, but the younger audience gets off on this stuff (why do you think New Galactica was such a big hit? The "good writing and compelling characters"? PLEASE....:rolleyes:), and an ever younger audience in the future is bound to love it even more.

Hell, when my generation was younger (The TNG and DS9 years), TV execs thought that's what we liked, so they gave us Seven of Nine.

RAMA March 24 2013 07:37 PM

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Characterization is fine though I prefer a large doses of ideas as the main thrust of my episodes.

RAMA

AviTrek March 25 2013 03:34 PM

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mos6507 wrote: (Post 7843048)
DS9 used all its characters, but most of them were not particularly likeable. That's the main reason to avoid that model.

Breaking Bad is filled with unlikable characters and it was still a success. Unlikable characters can be fine, as long as they're interesting.


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