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donners22 March 20 2013 11:51 PM

Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
Some interesting quotes from an interview around the Sydney IMAX screening of 30 minutes of footage:

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainme...320-2geo5.html

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"There are those who like Star Trek and those who think people who like Star Trek are insane," he says. "I was one of them... So it was important for us to make a film that allowed people who had never seen Star Trek to jump in."


"The last film was more about bringing back 40 years of Star Trek fans - some had been there all along, some who had come and gone - and saying "OK everybody, we're all going to get on the same boat and hopefully you guys will be speaking to us,'" Burk says.

"This film I feel like, because it was embraced by those Star Trek fans, allows us to keep making it for them obviously but now open it up for everybody else. We've now cleared the runway. This one is more accessible than the last one.
"It's one of those films that people who've avidly avoided Star Trek will be pleasantly surprised that this isn't what they were expecting."

"You realise that when people think science fiction they think of things that are too dense to understand and are dismissed. Or too wordy or too talky. That's why I had the perception that the ultimate version of science fiction is Star Trek.

"Of all these projects that I'm mentioning, the least science fiction is Star Trek. Star Trek isn't science fiction at all. It's science fact. It's our future."








I suppose it's logical that it would be more accessable in a sense, as it can focus more on the plot and characters than having to spend a chunk of the film setting things up.

DalekJim March 21 2013 12:06 AM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
A science-fiction film aimed at people that would never appreciate science-fiction. How wonderfully pointless.

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"You realise that when people think science fiction they think of things that are too dense to understand and are dismissed. Or too wordy or too talky. That's why I had the perception that the ultimate version of science fiction is Star Trek.

"Of all these projects that I'm mentioning, the least science fiction is Star Trek. Star Trek isn't science fiction at all. It's science fact. It's our future."
This. Doesn't. Mean. Anything.

:confused:

Mach5 March 21 2013 01:38 AM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
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donners22 wrote: (Post 7826569)
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You realise that when people think science fiction they think of things that are too dense to understand and are dismissed. Or too wordy or too talky.



Recipe for good contemporary syfy: "Less blah blah, more pew pew!" "Blah blah boring, pew pew fun!" "Blah blah too complicated, makes brain hurt! Moar pew pew!"

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donners22 wrote: (Post 7826569)
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"Of all these projects that I'm mentioning, the least science fiction is Star Trek. Star Trek isn't science fiction at all. It's science fact. It's our future."

And I thought Lindelof was a moron...

Procutus March 21 2013 02:04 AM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
Does everyone on Team Abrams speak in nonsensical riddles?

:lol:

Admiral Buzzkill March 21 2013 02:26 AM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
I'm not having any trouble understanding what he's saying - it's really straightforward.

Therin of Andor March 21 2013 02:34 AM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7826629)
A science-fiction film aimed at people that would never appreciate science-fiction. How wonderfully pointless.

No, it would apply to about 90% of the audience of any film.

Admiral Buzzkill March 21 2013 02:40 AM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7826629)
A science-fiction film aimed at people that would never appreciate science-fiction. How wonderfully pointless.

More point to it than flattering some nerds.

Nerys Myk March 21 2013 03:56 AM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7826629)
A science-fiction film aimed at people that would never appreciate science-fiction. How wonderfully pointless.

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"You realise that when people think science fiction they think of things that are too dense to understand and are dismissed. Or too wordy or too talky. That's why I had the perception that the ultimate version of science fiction is Star Trek.

"Of all these projects that I'm mentioning, the least science fiction is Star Trek. Star Trek isn't science fiction at all. It's science fact. It's our future."
This. Doesn't. Mean. Anything.

:confused:

Star Trek is a very approachable form of science fiction. Always has been. The "science" was always secondary to the "fiction"

DalekJim March 21 2013 10:55 AM

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Mach5 wrote: (Post 7827154)
And I thought Lindelof was a moron...

Lindelof actually seems pretty smart and switched on in interviews. I've never seen him say anything as thoroughly idiotic as this "science fact" monkey jibberish.

Franklin March 21 2013 12:04 PM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
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Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 7827823)
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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7826629)
A science-fiction film aimed at people that would never appreciate science-fiction. How wonderfully pointless.

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"You realise that when people think science fiction they think of things that are too dense to understand and are dismissed. Or too wordy or too talky. That's why I had the perception that the ultimate version of science fiction is Star Trek.

"Of all these projects that I'm mentioning, the least science fiction is Star Trek. Star Trek isn't science fiction at all. It's science fact. It's our future."
This. Doesn't. Mean. Anything.

:confused:

Star Trek is a very approachable form of science fiction. Always has been. The "science" was always secondary to the "fiction"

This is true, but there's still something off-putting or even condenscending, and even a little fanwank too, in the way Burk is saying it. "Star Trek" isn't "science fact" no matter how many times he wants to bring up the cell phone story. About it being our future compared to "Star Wars" being a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, that comparison's been made before, and I've never been sure of its relevance.

As far as people thinking science fiction is too dense, too wordy, or too talky for a general audience, has Burk ever seen "Alien", the Terminator movies, "Avatar", "The Hunger Games", "Jurassic Park", "Independence Day", "Back to the Future", "Planet of the Apes", "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", the Matrix movies, "Blade Runner", or any of a dozen other science fiction movies that have had broad appeal, including "Star Wars"?

I'm very happy with ST09 and eagerly look forward to STID, but I think Burk would be better served if he dropped this spiel.

His sentiment can be better said in two sentences: Over the years, the perception many people formed of "Star Trek" was you had to become really invested in it in order to enjoy it or "get" it. It carried a lot of baggage. So, we wanted to trim it back to its 1966 roots and make it fun and accessible for all, again.

Australis March 21 2013 12:14 PM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
I just had a look on Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...grossing_films

There's some animation, and the Da Vinci Code, but put them aside... and every single one of them is SF&F. There is a HUGE appetite for good SF films, it's blatantly obvious, and if they can drag Star Trek into that league, then the franchise can go anywhere, including back to TV and in a different direction after Abrams has finished.

If they can make A Big SF Film that can play in that league, Trek will be cool again. Uh, if it ever was. Well, I always thought so.

Set Harth March 21 2013 01:23 PM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
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DalekJim wrote:
Lindelof actually seems pretty smart and switched on in interviews.

So he has an on-off switch, like Threepio? That's encouraging. It means he can be switched off.

J. Allen March 21 2013 08:03 PM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7828636)
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Mach5 wrote: (Post 7827154)
And I thought Lindelof was a moron...

Lindelof actually seems pretty smart and switched on in interviews. I've never seen him say anything as thoroughly idiotic as this "science fact" monkey jibberish.

Where are you getting the idea that what he said was gibberish? It is rather clearly stated, and easily understood.

Mach5 March 21 2013 08:16 PM

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J. Allen wrote: (Post 7830595)
Where are you getting the idea that what he said was gibberish? It is rather clearly stated, and easily understood.

People tend to use the word "gibberish" as if it meant "nonsense", or plain "bullshit". Both can be clearly stated, easily understood, and yet completely imbecilic.

donners22 March 27 2013 10:36 PM

Re: Burk in Australia - STID "more accessable than the last one"
 
A couple of quotes which weren't in that article:

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At a recent Australian preview of footage for the sequel Star Trek into Darkness (which stars Chris Pine), producer Bryan Burk explained how the Bad Robot production team was the biggest obstacle to the film being in 3D.

Burk described not understanding the original series, which to him involved ''a lot of people just standing around, on a bridge, talking to a big television screen''. So Burk felt he was the perfect producer for the Star Trek reboot. ''If we were going to make a film, we were going to make a film that I did like,'' he says.

Nor did the Bad Robot team love 3D after too many pale imitations of Avatar. ''If we were going to do it, we had to make it special. We literally had to go shot-by-shot, frame-by-frame, pushing things further than they'd ever been pushed. Our stereographer would regularly say, 'You can't go further than this. Nobody goes further than this.' And we'd all say: 'Go further!'''





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