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Flying Spaghetti Monster March 19 2013 03:05 PM

The formation of Porridgefleet Command
 
So I just watched a really crappy, pretty awful, and mostly, oh-so-very desperate episode of Voyager again: Scorpion Part One and Two.

An episode that the only good scene is the one where Chakotay and Janeway discuss their positions, and there is that scorpion/ fox parable.

That is the only scene worthy of Trek. The only other aspect of that episode worth anything is Jeri Ryan.. hired to be a Borg-babe, which, like the rest of the episode, with it's overly pronounced music cue and it's over emphasis on how damn important hasty decisions are, is all just a ratings grab, Ryan keeps the role afloat. Even with all that Borg armor on, she seems rather frail and vulnerable somehow, while still managing to threaten the crew. I just felt that this one Borg drone who was out of her breadth.

The Borg might not be the best foe in star Trek (they are close, but what keeps them form being that is that they are defeated by TECH) but they were always interesting and threatening, and this show managed to make them less interesting and less threatening so that they could introduce a new and less interesting alien race.

And where did that alien race live. In some parallel dimension: "this is not space - it's matter, Har, Har, Har") Perhaps the worst idea in ll of Trek. They later called it Fluidic space because matter probably would sound just as stupid to us as the whole concept.

Considering how Starfleet is all into exploring, they'd jump all over going to this place. Here we go, let's launch the Porridge-Fleet.

Anyone else think that Scorpion is just a cheesy act of desperation on the part of the producers, with little regard for science or fiction or anything resembling what Trek was all about?

King Daniel Into Darkness March 19 2013 03:55 PM

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No, I thought "Scorpion" was a lot of fun. Please enlighten me, what was Trek meant to be all about? To me, it's what the original pitch says:

"Action - Adventure - Science Fiction."

Bry_Sinclair March 19 2013 03:57 PM

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One big let down with Scorpion is that they were so close to getting rid of Kim, but suddenly the Doctor is a miracle worker and cures him in seconds.

Captain Kathryn March 20 2013 01:46 AM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 7820116)
One big let down with Scorpion is that they were so close to getting rid of Kim, but suddenly the Doctor is a miracle worker and cures him in seconds.

That's because the EMH is awesome and can do ANYTHING. :luvlove:

teacake March 20 2013 10:39 AM

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King Daniel wrote: (Post 7820110)
No, I thought "Scorpion" was a lot of fun. Please enlighten me, what was Trek meant to be all about? To me, it's what the original pitch says:

"Action - Adventure - Science Fiction."

Since the OP's favorite part was Chakotay telling a fable I suspect he's looking for his Trek to be imbued with profundity. Instead he got lots of green lighting and horror movie scenes.

Flying Spaghetti Monster March 20 2013 01:09 PM

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Well I don't mind good action. I don't mind it if an episode is all action. I don't even mind if an action show is the kind of show that sets the template for future episodes.

I do mind the last point slightly. Listening to the soundtrack (music) for this episode wa really trying to hit the viewer over the head with the idea that "isn't Voyager exciting now at last?"
Where as the when the music cue for the Borg occured in Best of Both Worlds, it wa so different than anything that had been done, but it just seemed more intriguing. It wasn't bludgeoning us with a hammer.

Scorpion was mainly about spectacle, but it also clearly wanted to set the tone for the coming seasons. Since the show failed to create iconic villains on its own, it had to use iconic villains from another show.

Brit March 20 2013 03:00 PM

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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 7820020)
Anyone else think that Scorpion is just a cheesy act of desperation on the part of the producers, with little regard for science or fiction or anything resembling what Trek was all about?

No actually, "Scorpion" is one of my favorite episodes.

teacake March 20 2013 09:51 PM

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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 7823962)

Scorpion was mainly about spectacle, but it also clearly wanted to set the tone for the coming seasons. Since the show failed to create iconic villains on its own, it had to use iconic villains from another show.

Who we knew hung out in the Delta quadrant.

RyuRoots March 22 2013 01:58 AM

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teacake wrote: (Post 7826101)
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 7823962)

Scorpion was mainly about spectacle, but it also clearly wanted to set the tone for the coming seasons. Since the show failed to create iconic villains on its own, it had to use iconic villains from another show.

Who we knew hung out in the Delta quadrant.

And who knew 8472 were from another show?

teacake March 22 2013 02:08 AM

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Oh I thought he meant the Borg.

And yeah, to 8472.

Captain Kathryn March 22 2013 02:32 AM

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teacake wrote: (Post 7832581)
Oh I thought he meant the Borg.

And yeah, to 8472.

I wonder why they didn't find out the species name? Or make one? I find it strange they kept the species Borg designation. :borg: Maybe to make them seem less sentient? Or the name 8472 just stuck? lol

teacake March 22 2013 02:37 AM

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I'm pretty sure whatever the name was it was unpronounceable and 8472 didn't bother to come up with an english version when they were playing dress ups as people.

Lt. Cheka Wey March 27 2013 07:04 PM

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Captain Kathryn wrote: (Post 7822558)
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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 7820116)
One big let down with Scorpion is that they were so close to getting rid of Kim, but suddenly the Doctor is a miracle worker and cures him in seconds.

That's because the EMH is awesome and can do ANYTHING. :luvlove:

He cannot have real kids.

King Daniel Into Darkness March 27 2013 07:38 PM

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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 7823962)
Scorpion was mainly about spectacle, but it also clearly wanted to set the tone for the coming seasons. Since the show failed to create iconic villains on its own, it had to use iconic villains from another show.

Like TNG constantly went back to the Klingons and Romulans from the original Trek? Or DS9 recycled TNG's Cardassians and Bajorans?

The Borg were a given from the start. They established the direction of Borg space way back in "Q Who" and it's no fluke that they chose to set Voyager in that same part of the galaxy. It's what many Trekkies (myself included) were waiting for from the outset.

Melakon March 27 2013 08:11 PM

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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 7823962)
Where as the when the music cue for the Borg occured in Best of Both Worlds, it wa so different than anything that had been done, but it just seemed more intriguing.

This is why I think one of Rick Berman's stupidest decisions was firing Ron Jones.


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