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Captain McBain March 19 2013 02:47 AM

"Tapestry"
 
Do you believe that Captain Picard truly died in "Tapestry?" Or did Q intercept him while he still had a tiny speck of life?

USS Firefly March 19 2013 09:17 AM

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One way or the other, he couldn't come back without the help from Q

Timo March 19 2013 10:02 AM

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Generally, one would assume that "tiny specks of life" don't allow the victim to have complex and coherent fantasies; the brain not only shuts down for good pretty easily, but also starts slacking early on in the process. So Picard's vitality probably played no role in what transpired, and Q took care of everything in the "afterlife"; Picard may have been happily alive, teetering on the edge, or completely dead during the proceedings, and we simply can't tell.

Did Q have something to do with Picard dying in the first place? Perhaps not in the sense of actively putting him in harm's way on Lenara - but more like noticing that Picard was seriously wounded in the line of duty, and stepping in, pushing Picard past the edge, and having fun with the corpse for a while. Crusher doesn't exactly act as if Picard's death would have been inevitable or his recovery a miracle... So if Picard really was dead for a while, Q may have been a necessary extra ingredient there.

There's also the possibility that there was no Q, and that Picard just had a funny dream. After all, this would be the only Q episode without the capital Q in the title...

Timo Saloniemi

Captain McBain March 19 2013 06:16 PM

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Timo wrote: (Post 7819447)
There's also the possibility that there was no Q, and that Picard just had a funny dream. After all, this would be the only Q episode without the capital Q in the title...

Timo Saloniemi

"Encounter at Farpoint" and "All Good Things" also don't have the capital Q in the title.

Anwar March 19 2013 06:22 PM

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It's possible that Picard was never in any real danger, and Q just felt like doing this on a whim.

Unicron March 19 2013 10:40 PM

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Or that what Picard perceived as Q was really a portion of his own psyche, the equivalent of the parts he didn't like himself and regretted. In which case Q was the ideal personification. :D

Mojochi March 20 2013 02:12 AM

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Ultimately, if it really was Q, then Q outright told Picard he was dead, I might be missing something, but for all his mischief, I never remember Q actually lying to Picard ever. He threw him into elaborate fantasies, & games, but he never told him something untrue, to my recollection

He might have died, & Q knew they'd bring him back, & used the event to stick his nose in

Captain McBain March 20 2013 01:30 PM

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Well, if Picard truly died, then God must've allowed Q to do this. Although, of course, Q claimed to be God, which shows Q's massive ego!

marksound March 20 2013 01:45 PM

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I'm pretty sure that Picard was only mostly dead.

And as we all know, "there's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."

doubleohfive March 20 2013 05:28 PM

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Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.

Captain McBain March 20 2013 06:52 PM

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doubleohfive wrote: (Post 7824916)
Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.

I have that book. I don't recall this being said. But it's been quite a while since I last read it.

doubleohfive March 20 2013 06:53 PM

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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7825264)
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doubleohfive wrote: (Post 7824916)
Peter David's "Q-Squared" takes the position that Q did save Picard, or at least, establishes that the episode did in fact happen as we saw.

Granted, it's a novel and thus not canon, but I'm perfectly fine with the episode on its own either way. I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.

I have that book. I don't recall this being said. But it's been quite a while since I last read it.

I don't recall the exact wording, but I do remember Picard conversing with Q, and Q referring to the events of "Tapestry," only to have Picard's otherwise memorable response:

"That actually... happened?"

jimbotron March 20 2013 08:13 PM

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Yesterday's Enterprise/Tapestry/Parallels whetted my appetite for alternate realities aboard the Enterprise. I'm grateful DS9 played around with the mirror universe. I wish TNG had done the same thing.

Mojochi March 20 2013 09:46 PM

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doubleohfive wrote: (Post 7824916)
I kind of like the ambiguity of it all.

Agreed.

Pondwater March 20 2013 09:57 PM

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jimbotron wrote: (Post 7825606)
Yesterday's Enterprise/Tapestry/Parallels whetted my appetite for alternate realities aboard the Enterprise. I'm grateful DS9 played around with the mirror universe. I wish TNG had done the same thing.

Same here.

Picard might have died but I think the whole thing was a "Q" trip.


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