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ZapBrannigan March 16 2013 10:24 AM

Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
Gene Roddenberry had some great ideas and some not so hot.

I'd say one of his worst ideas was that a beautiful woman in TMP should be bald.

A bad costume idea, and probably Roddenberry's, was the "skant" uniform in early TNG, where a male extra would be seen walking around in a dress. If it was a good concept, the male regulars (audience representatives) would have worn it. The simple fact that that would be unacceptable should have told them something.

teacake March 16 2013 11:49 AM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
No money.

Mankind having evolved past greed and now working only to better themselves.

No conflict on TNG among the crew because of all this enlightened evolving.

Wesley.

C.E. Evans March 16 2013 01:22 PM

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Star Trek

Forbin March 16 2013 03:29 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
Sometimes I think Trek was his only good idea. Most of his other attempts after that were pretty crappy.

Olive, the Other Reindeer March 16 2013 03:47 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
Deanna Troi having three breasts. :wtf:

Rķu rķu, chķu March 16 2013 03:57 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
People walking around naked and having a collective consciousness (the "New Humans").

Underground cities.

The first season of TNG except for "Symbiosis" and "Conspiracy".

Everything that teacake mentioned.

Hartzilla2007 March 16 2013 04:12 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
Spock killing JFK.

SchwEnt March 16 2013 05:38 PM

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Forbin wrote: (Post 7808620)
Sometimes I think Trek was his only good idea. Most of his other attempts after that were pretty crappy.

And even then, many say ST became good only with the talented contributions of others.

sonak March 16 2013 05:54 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
his later ideas seemed to be worse-the whole "evolved, enlightened Humanity" thing, plus the wacky idea that Starfleet wasn't military.

yousirname March 16 2013 07:58 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
No money seems fine to me. My only beef with that whole aspect is actually the failure to explore in any meaningful way the ramifications of a post-scarcity economy. We just get these rather smug hew-mons endlessly gassing on about how enlightened they are. Show, don't tell, I say.

Data shouldn't use contractions (OK I'm not sure that was Roddenberry himself).

'Klingon' is a really silly name.

The Traveler and Wesley's destiny with him.

Relayer1 March 16 2013 08:09 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
Quote:

ZapBrannigan wrote: (Post 7808269)
Gene Roddenberry had some great ideas and some not so hot.

I'd say one of his worst ideas was that a beautiful woman in TMP should be bald.

I thought that was brilliant. Persis was far more stunning without hair than she was with it. It wouldn't have been so with most women...

The Wormhole March 16 2013 08:16 PM

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yousirname wrote: (Post 7809457)
'Klingon' is a really silly name.

The Traveler and Wesley's destiny with him.

Klingons were developed by Gene L Coon from Roddenberry's request to develop a recurring villain for the Federation.

The Traveler was introduced in an episode written by Diane Duane and Michael Reaves. Roddenberry had no input regarding Wesley's destiny with him, Roddenberry always wanted Wesley to go to the Academy and become a Starfleet officer. In fact, the episode Journey's End was written after Roddenberry died, so how the hell can you blame him for that?

Olive, the Other Reindeer March 16 2013 08:19 PM

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yousirname wrote: (Post 7809457)

'Klingon' is a really silly name.

Tell that to Lt. Wilbur Clingan of the LAPD. (Assuming the story about the origin of the name "Klingon" is true.)

yousirname March 16 2013 08:36 PM

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The Wormhole wrote: (Post 7809511)
Klingons were developed by Gene L Coon from Roddenberry's request to develop a recurring villain for the Federation.

Well, I stand corrected.

Quote:

The Traveler was introduced in an episode written by Diane Duane and Michael Reaves. Roddenberry had no input regarding Wesley's destiny with him, Roddenberry always wanted Wesley to go to the Academy and become a Starfleet officer. In fact, the episode Journey's End was written after Roddenberry died, so how the hell can you blame him for that?
And again. Though I wasn't thinking of Journey's End, since the 'destiny' is hinted at in the Traveler's first appearance.

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scotpens wrote: (Post 7809514)
Tell that to Lt. Wilbur Clingan of the LAPD. (Assuming the story about the origin of the name "Klingon" is true.)

Well, I like my surname, but it would make a silly name for an alien species. I mean it sounds like "Cling on". I guess your mileage may vary.

Metryq March 16 2013 08:51 PM

Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas
 
"Nanny" aliens, such as Gary Seven and Questor of THE QUESTOR TAPES.

If a civilization cannot—and is not allowed to—overcome its own faults, then it is baggage. Or as Spock said in "The Day of the Dove": "Those who hate and fight must stop themselves, Doctor. Otherwise, it is not stopped."

Alternatively, "the only kind of discipline is self-discipline."


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