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Infern0 March 13 2013 12:16 PM

Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
From looking at ye olde map of the galaxy, going off Voyager being 70,000ly from earth at the time of "caretaker", factoring all the jumps they used, by the time they reached the Talaxian asteroid colony, they must have at LEAST been on the very, very edge of the Delta Quadrant, if not over it and into the Beta Quadrant.

Anyone know the location of that Colony in relation to the quadrants?

Guy Gardener March 13 2013 12:53 PM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
No.

Maybe.

There is a blurry map.

Then there's this from the following episode...

Quote:

CHAKOTAY: They sound like people we should avoid.
JANEWAY: I wish that were possible. They control thousands of parsecs from here to the edge of the Beta quadrant. They're ecological extremists. They believe conventional warp engines damage subspace, so they've outlawed warp travel through their territory.
CHAKOTAY: Then we should reverse course and find a way around.
JANEWAY: That's the problem. We've already been in their space for three weeks without knowing it.
So they were close.

"Ish"

hux March 13 2013 02:15 PM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
^but isn't that dialogue completely made up by the doctor (masquerading as Janeway) to convince chakotay to give up the warp core

I think purely from the distance already travelled, they must logically be fairly close to the edge of the delta quadrant at least (though I always assumed they were aiming to cross into the alpha quadrant, not the beta so what do I know)

Guy Gardener March 13 2013 04:53 PM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
The only way as the crow flies (through space and explodes) to get to the Alpha Quadrant from the Delta Quadrant is to arrive at the centre of the Galaxy, then find the absolute centre of whatever that "place" is, and then stand on the geometric axis of the galaxy, which even then would superposition you simultaneously in the Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma Guardrants... So baring cheating with wormholes and the suchlike, you gotta go through the Beta Quadrant (or the Gamma Quadrant) to find the Federation in the Alpha Quadrant.

1.The centre of the Galaxy is a mess of black holes every thing else revolves around which would be a bitch to navigate through even without a manchild at the helm.

2. The Great Barrier (Star Trek Movie 5.) is unpassable. Sybok did something funky that opened the door, but other than that, unpassable.

3. I'm being a dick. Sorry.

DeepSpaceWine March 14 2013 04:29 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
Quote:

hux wrote: (Post 7795843)
^but isn't that dialogue completely made up by the doctor (masquerading as Janeway) to convince chakotay to give up the warp core

I think purely from the distance already travelled, they must logically be fairly close to the edge of the delta quadrant at least (though I always assumed they were aiming to cross into the alpha quadrant, not the beta so what do I know)

I agree the Doctor is lying there, but the part about being on this side of the Delta Quadrant/Beta Quadrant border would be accurate. Of course, those thousands of parsecs would extend not just towards the border but also perpendicular to it, above it & below it relative to Voyager's position, so in theory, it might not be as large as it seems in terms of the current position to the Delta/Beta border.

Guy Gardener March 14 2013 04:45 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
Does anyone believe that Chakotay is such an idiot that he doesn't know where a 50 thousand light year by 1 thousand light year (declining to 0) wedge in space is?

teacake March 14 2013 05:14 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
With google there is no excuse for not knowing this. Maybe his pride kept him from googleing?

Guy Gardener March 14 2013 05:18 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
Google wouldn't have survived WWIII unless it became self aware first.

King Daniel Into Darkness March 14 2013 02:29 PM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
I thought it very strange that a Talaxian colony suddenly appeared in their path, but then again they have found human colonies out there ("The 37's"), so why not? Humans can't be the only ones who like to fly around the galaxy and fall through wormholes and stuff.

I remember seeing a page somewhere where someone was complaining that some Voyager aliens re-appeared 200 years earlier and on the other side of the galaxy in Enterprise. My thoughts were the same then.

Infern0 March 15 2013 01:27 PM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
*edit

nevermind

DeepSpaceWine March 15 2013 11:55 PM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
Quote:

King Daniel wrote: (Post 7800466)
I thought it very strange that a Talaxian colony suddenly appeared in their path, but then again they have found human colonies out there ("The 37's"), so why not? Humans can't be the only ones who like to fly around the galaxy and fall through wormholes and stuff.

I remember seeing a page somewhere where someone was complaining that some Voyager aliens re-appeared 200 years earlier and on the other side of the galaxy in Enterprise. My thoughts were the same then.

The producers wanted a happy ending for Neelix and for him to be off the ship, so they didn't care where they pulled Talaxians out of to get there near the border. However, unlike some other geographic discrepancies here, there is an in-canon possible explanation: the Vaadwaur underspace corridors. If I remember the maps correctly, they go from Talaxia (we know that because the Vaadwaur were in their fairy tales) down to just a little bit past the Vaadwaur homeworld in early Season 6. It's possible those refuges fell into it and traveled through Underspace til they ended up on the far side of it.

teacake March 16 2013 12:37 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
Why did the producers want Neelix off the ship?

It was a good ending for him :)

Dream March 16 2013 12:46 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
I always thought a "Wormhole did it" was the explanation for how the Talaxian ship got out so far.

teacake March 16 2013 12:52 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
Wormholes are useful like that.

Guy Gardener March 16 2013 07:52 AM

Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?
 
Neelix can't have a happily ever after on Voyager. He's been trying to get his end away foe four years since Kes left and no one was biting. He'd failed at every romantic pairing on the ship that hadn't already paired off or was out of bounds like the Captan...

4 years and no one.

That's hard.

Although I suppose if a town bike like Tom Paris hadn't cycled though the trust, sympathy and naivity of the female compliment in the first couple weeks list in the Delta Quadrant, all their bedrooms wouldn't be double deadbolted againtst disusting Lothario's by Season Seven.


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