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DalekJim March 12 2013 03:38 PM

Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
I'm rewatching TNG (Currently midway through S2!) and ... I fucking hate Troi. Nothing wrong with Marina Sirtis' performance but a lot of the time she'll just be there to uselessly state the obvious.

Villain of the Week: I hope Picard gets bummed so hard he dies from severe anal bleeding.

Troi: Captain, I sense..... malice.... in this person.

Yeah, no shit.

She seems to serve only this one purpose. Which is admittedly one more purpose than Uhura had in TOS but it's kinda lame compared to say, Kira Nerys in DS9.

So, are there any great moments people think she had during the run of TNG?

HaventGotALife March 12 2013 03:44 PM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
It gets better for her. In BOBW, she counsels Riker, in the Bonding, she is useful. She is an effective counselor.

Mott the barber March 12 2013 04:21 PM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
Off the top of my head:

Dealing with Armus in "Skin of Evil"

"Loud as a Whisper"

DalekJim March 12 2013 04:24 PM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
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Mott the barber wrote: (Post 7791925)
Dealing with Armus in "Skin of Evil"

Good shout. One of my favourite S1 episodes (Though that is damning it with faint praise!).

Ysmalari March 12 2013 05:19 PM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
We've got a while to wait for it on Blu-Ray, but season 6 - Face of the Enemy, I thought was a great Troi episode and she even gets a bit bad-ass late in the episode!

Mojochi March 13 2013 01:36 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
She actually did come into her own as a counselor in time, with the introduction of Barkley, & helping some of the crew through recovery, Picard post-assimilation, & in Chain of Command, or helping Geordi though his Romulan brain washing etc...

Honestly though, outside her occasional benefits as a therapist aboard, I'm hard pressed to find much other benefits from her

Use of Time March 13 2013 01:38 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
Technically in the movies category but her scene with Picard in Generations discussing Rene and Robert was pretty good.

Dream March 13 2013 01:51 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
Troi's only great episode was "Face of the Enemy". The rest were either average or terrible.

Dr Crusher had the same problem. Her only good episode was "Remember Me".

Use of Time March 13 2013 02:13 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
I thought she was decent in "Dark Page" as well.

JirinPanthosa March 13 2013 03:51 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
She was handy as a plot device to bring mind-affecting issues to the surface, or to give other telepaths someone to relate to.

Other than that, she was good in Disaster, Ménage a Troi, Power Play, Hollow Pursuits.

And she was fun in the connector scenes where she got to be playful, like in the poker scenes or a bunch of the ten forward socialization scenes.

LobsterAfternoon March 13 2013 04:26 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
Strikes me that it might just been more useful to make her a proper telepath. Have any of the writers discussed why they didn't just do that?

SchwEnt March 13 2013 04:45 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
I liked some of her roles functioning as first contact advisor or cultural attache or diplomatic officer. You know, aiding Picard in those situations.

I believe the Titan books have her as formal diplomatic officer. She worked well in that role, beyond psychologist counselor.

WillsBabe March 13 2013 09:25 AM

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SchwEnt wrote: (Post 7794895)
I liked some of her roles functioning as first contact advisor or cultural attache or diplomatic officer. You know, aiding Picard in those situations.

I agree. I think they used her well in that direction, particularly in season one.

Other examples of when they used Troi well, I think, were at the end of Chain of Command, and Mind's Eye when she's seen counselling members of the main cast.

I also think they used her well in Powerplay. Okay, so she was being taken over again, but so were other members of the crew. FWIW, I think MS acted her socks off in some of those scenes.

T'Girl March 13 2013 11:35 AM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
She had a good part to play in Disaster, she was shown to be inept as a command officer, but she was supposed to be. Also the episode with the cosmic string where she loses her mental abilities.

Plus, I'd like to think that after Deanna hooked up with Worf, that she was "well used" on a nightly basis.

:)

Use of Time March 13 2013 12:34 PM

Re: Examples of times Troi was used well in the series?
 
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SchwEnt wrote: (Post 7794895)
I liked some of her roles functioning as first contact advisor or cultural attache or diplomatic officer. You know, aiding Picard in those situations.

I believe the Titan books have her as formal diplomatic officer. She worked well in that role, beyond psychologist counselor.

I like this premise. It would have made her character a lot stronger if she was introduced as the Diplomatic Officer from the get go. It would validate her presence on the bridge and give her a more important role among the senior staff. Most of what we see Troi do on screen falls more into the diplomatic scope of responsibiliites anyway. There are only a handful of episodes where we see her doing any real counseling.

I see the need for a counselor on a starship but I don't see the need for a counselor to be a member of the senior staff.


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