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Dal Rassak March 11 2013 12:00 PM

does anybody know the answer to this?
 
I came across some rumours that at some point during the filming of TNG, Patrick Stewart apparently said something ill-considered which really got up the noses of Michael Dorn and Levar Burton, and relations between those actors became somewhat strained as a result. When pressed on the matter in an interview, he refused to elaborate.

I can only think that whatever he said must have been inadvertently racist since it happened to annoy specifically his two black co-stars; I say inadvertently because Mr.Stewart really strikes me as a very fair-minded man outside of his role, not just in it, and absolutely not the type of person to harbour any such attitudes. Whatever he said must have gone down the wrong pipe; but does anybody know what it was??

My own private theory has always been some remark along the lines that black actors were the best to play Klingons.

Relayer1 March 11 2013 12:15 PM

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No idea, but it must have been something inadvertent - I can't believe he would have said anything deliberately offensive or harbours any racist views.

Ensign_Redshirt March 11 2013 12:20 PM

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Nobody knows and as long as neither of the three men want to talk about it, we'll never find out.

According to Memory Alpha, Stewart didn't get along very well with Michael Down anyway. And I guess even Patrick Stewart is capable of saying something stupidly racist. Maybe being a Brit, he was also unfamiliar with American sensibilities regarding race. Who knows... as long as it was only a single incident over a seven-year period, I don't see a problem. People make mistakes sometimes.

indolover March 11 2013 01:11 PM

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So all of the cast saying they hang out a lot and consider each other their best life friends is just a show?

I know Michael Dorn and Levar Burton didn't get on initially, but are on record as saying they are now close. Similar with Dorn and Marina Sirtis.

It seems though that the TNG crew generally got on the best. I've seldom heard Avery Brooks or Colm Meaney say that the DS9 crew still hang out, or Mulgrew or Russ for Voyager.

Tosk March 11 2013 01:22 PM

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It's not just a rumor, Stewart himself has copped to the incident...but as far as I know, no one has repeated what it was that he said. I'd be willing to bet it's fairly innocuous, something he said before thinking.

yousirname March 11 2013 01:27 PM

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Quote:

Dal Rassak wrote: (Post 7786270)
Mr.Stewart really strikes me as a very fair-minded man outside of his role, not just in it

He strikes me as the kind of man who sees everything.

Thete March 11 2013 01:40 PM

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I think it'll be something blown way out of proportion by fans since it happened.

Patrick Stewart is driven by equality and diversity, he believes in the vision of Gene and Star Trek.

Besides, he and Burton kissed at the recent reunion. I'm sure if Stewart were racist, Burton wouldn't want to go anywhere near him.

indolover March 11 2013 02:29 PM

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Not since as a Mandinka warrior, he experienced the effects of racism first hand.

Shatinator March 11 2013 06:10 PM

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Quote:

Ensign_Redshirt wrote: (Post 7786306)
Nobody knows and as long as neither of the three men want to talk about it, we'll never find out.

According to Memory Alpha, Stewart didn't get along very well with Michael Down anyway. And I guess even Patrick Stewart is capable of saying something stupidly racist. Maybe being a Brit, he was also unfamiliar with American sensibilities regarding race. Who knows... as long as it was only a single incident over a seven-year period, I don't see a problem. People make mistakes sometimes.


I never heard that Stewart did not get along Dorn. Did Dorn say this, how did you come by this information?

Mr_Homn March 11 2013 06:16 PM

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its just as likely michael dorn was being a baby about something and patrick stewart just acted like the bigger man and apologized

Mott the barber March 11 2013 06:25 PM

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Yeah he told the story in the S1 extras about Levar and how much he regretted the incident.

Ensign_Redshirt March 11 2013 06:50 PM

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Quote:

Shatinator wrote: (Post 7787290)
Quote:

Ensign_Redshirt wrote: (Post 7786306)
Nobody knows and as long as neither of the three men want to talk about it, we'll never find out.

According to Memory Alpha, Stewart didn't get along very well with Michael Down anyway. And I guess even Patrick Stewart is capable of saying something stupidly racist. Maybe being a Brit, he was also unfamiliar with American sensibilities regarding race. Who knows... as long as it was only a single incident over a seven-year period, I don't see a problem. People make mistakes sometimes.


I never heard that Stewart did not get along Dorn. Did Dorn say this, how did you come by this information?

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Patr...k_cast_members

heavy lids March 11 2013 07:09 PM

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There is always conflict in collaborative art. And for every rumor you hear about, you can bet that there were ten other conflicts that you will never hear about. Conflict between actors, musicians, painters, etc. that are working on something together is natural.

indolover March 11 2013 07:48 PM

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conflict is part of life. I doubt many fans seriously believe that all performing artists get on all of the time. We're not that stupid. :techman:

Yuckleberry Finn March 12 2013 05:58 AM

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IIRC, it was some comment or phrase Stewart had heard somewhere and was unaware of the racial historical background that Dorn and Burton had to bring to his attention.


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