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Shilliam Watner March 10 2013 01:24 AM

Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
From the newly release teaser trailer as Kirk takes a space walk from his Enterprise, you can clearly see another ship and it looks like a Constitution Class. I am betting this is Captain April's U.S.S. Enterprise. Check it out.

First Image:
http://i.imgur.com/CO2N2XM.jpg

Second Image:
http://i.imgur.com/0agsiNh.jpg

Lance March 10 2013 01:31 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
The shape is wrong for it to be a pre-timeline change Connie. It looks like the Alt-Enterprise, just look at the shape of the nacelles. So, I'm banking on the alternative explanation: Kirk is doing his orbital skydive thing to get back into the ship from another vessel (shuttecraft?). Or else it's simply another Alt-Constitution Class ship. I mean, it isn't like the USS Enterprise was the only one we ever saw in TOS, the Starfleet consisted mostly of them.

Christopher March 10 2013 01:32 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
Why would there be two Enterprises at once? If we accept the Countdown to Darkness comic's version of the backstory (remember, the comics aren't canonical) and its assertion that there was an earlier Enterprise commanded by April, it would stand to reason that that ship was lost or decommissioned before Pike's Enterprise was built. So if this ship is contemporary with NCC-1701, it would surely have a different name.

Besides, do we actually know that Kirk is beginning his spacewalk from the Enterprise, instead of some other ship?

-Brett- March 10 2013 01:33 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
I may be a bit behind on the spoilers, but I hadn't heard of there being any time travel or parallel universe subplot.

Within this continuity the Enterprise as we saw it was the original, and Pike was it's first captain.

Lance March 10 2013 01:35 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
I'm banking it's a shuttlecraft he's jumped from.

Tom Servo March 10 2013 01:35 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
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Christopher wrote: (Post 7781764)
Why would there be two Enterprises at once? If we accept the Countdown to Darkness comic's version of the backstory (remember, the comics aren't canonical) and its assertion that there was an earlier Enterprise commanded by April, it would stand to reason that that ship was lost or decommissioned before Pike's Enterprise was built. So if this ship is contemporary with NCC-1701, it would surely have a different name.

Besides, do we actually know that Kirk is beginning his spacewalk from the Enterprise, instead of some other ship?

I'd agree with you that she wouldnt be a contemporary of the current NCC-1701. Though I'm pretty sure that THAT is the ship crashing into the bay and not Kirks Enterprise. The nacelle and pylon shape on this ship are completely different to that of Kirks ship.

SalvorHardin March 10 2013 01:37 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
April's Enterpise was decommissioned years before the events of STID, according to Countdown.
So I don't see why it would be that ship.

Kruezerman March 10 2013 01:40 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
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SalvorHardin wrote: (Post 7781785)
April's Enterpise was decommissioned years before the events of STID, according to Countdown.
So I don't see why it would be that ship.

Would that mean she was already broken down? Or maybe she was placed in mothballs?

Tom Servo March 10 2013 01:43 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
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SalvorHardin wrote: (Post 7781785)
April's Enterpise was decommissioned years before the events of STID, according to Countdown.
So I don't see why it would be that ship.

Does anyone remember the interview with Peter Weller that stated that his character had his own ship? I mean we really don't know anything about that character besides that he's Adm. Marcus, but I'm wondering if that's it, and that he is involved with Harrison in some way. We do see Harrison sitting in what looks to be a command chair on a Starfleet bridge that is NOT the Enterprise in one of the previous trailers.

marksound March 10 2013 01:48 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
It could be the one that crashes into the Thames.

SalvorHardin March 10 2013 01:49 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
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Tom Servo wrote: (Post 7781803)
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SalvorHardin wrote: (Post 7781785)
April's Enterpise was decommissioned years before the events of STID, according to Countdown.
So I don't see why it would be that ship.

Does anyone remember the interview with Peter Weller that stated that his character had his own ship? I mean we really don't know anything about that character besides that he's Adm. Marcus, but I'm wondering if that's it, and that he is involved with Harrison in some way. We do see Harrison sitting in what looks to be a command chair on a Starfleet bridge that is NOT the Enterprise in one of the previous trailers.

Marcus was also April's first officer and maybe captain of the E when April "died".
But would an Admiral have an old decommissioned ship as his to use?

It's a big starship that would require a lot of crew to run. I doubt it would be considered decommissioned if they had to assign all that crew to keep running it.

Tom Servo March 10 2013 01:53 AM

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SalvorHardin wrote: (Post 7781821)
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Tom Servo wrote: (Post 7781803)
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SalvorHardin wrote: (Post 7781785)
April's Enterpise was decommissioned years before the events of STID, according to Countdown.
So I don't see why it would be that ship.

Does anyone remember the interview with Peter Weller that stated that his character had his own ship? I mean we really don't know anything about that character besides that he's Adm. Marcus, but I'm wondering if that's it, and that he is involved with Harrison in some way. We do see Harrison sitting in what looks to be a command chair on a Starfleet bridge that is NOT the Enterprise in one of the previous trailers.

Marcus was also April's first officer and maybe captain of the E when April "died".
But would an Admiral have an old decommissioned ship as his to use?

Im not saying its the old Enterprise, just saying he has his own Starfleet flagship. It is strange however, that they chose a design that has such a similar shape to the other Enterprise, but they're obviously different ships.

The Wormhole March 10 2013 01:57 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
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-Brett- wrote: (Post 7781770)
I may be a bit behind on the spoilers, but I hadn't heard of there being any time travel or parallel universe subplot.

Within this continuity the Enterprise as we saw it was the original, and Pike was it's first captain.

Countdown to Darkness, a comic book prequel to the movie establishes there was a previous Enterprise which was commanded by Robert April.

RAMA March 10 2013 02:04 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
It looks closer to a STTMP era enterprise but it's not.

Nightowl1701 March 10 2013 02:05 AM

Re: Spoilers: Is This [Spoiler]'s Original Enterprise?
 
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SalvorHardin wrote: (Post 7781785)
Marcus was also April's first officer and maybe captain of the E when April "died".
But would an Admiral have an old decommissioned ship as his to use?

It's a big starship that would require a lot of crew to run. I doubt it would be considered decommissioned if they had to assign all that crew to keep running it.

It might if it's a black-ops vessel - Section 31 or whatever the Abramsverse analog of it is. The comic's revealed the existence of just such a secret society within Starfleet that tried to recruit Sulu right out of the Academy, immediately before he joined the Enterprise.


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