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Dal Rassak February 26 2013 03:29 PM

who the fff... put Troi in that outfit??
 
What is a councillor doing wearing a lilac bodysuitall the time? I mean she's meant to be a Starfleet officer, isn't she, and I suppose councillor falls under medical officer,so why doesn't she wear the uniform?
It's only near the end of season 6, after the brief tenure on the Enterprise of Captain Jellico, who insisted she dress more formally, that she did wear the uniform and it suited her much better. But for practically the entire run of the series (barring the odd attractive evening gown) she goes round in this ridiculous number that you might wear doing yoga down the gym. Plus the front was cut so low you'd be in danger of dropping your eyes down her cleavage. How's any normal male meant to take psychological advice from anyone dressed like that? How would you ever concentrate?? What I'm saying is it seems unprofessional.

yousirname February 26 2013 03:35 PM

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My money's on Maurice Hurley. Though it persisted well after he left, so I dunno. It is more than a little silly, though.

Nerys Myk February 26 2013 03:36 PM

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A female Trek character in clothing that high lights her sexuality? Why has no one ever noticed this before?????

Timo February 26 2013 03:36 PM

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why doesn't she wear the uniform?
For all we know, she does. That jumpsuit never changed much, so perhaps it was the official Counselor's uniform?

We have seen weirder. Crusher always wore a nonstandard jacket, Picard started wearing one later on as well, and all sorts of background and eventually also foreground characters wore the odd mustard jumpsuits.

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What I'm saying is it seems unprofessional.
In comparison with the tights the men wear? I don't quite see it.

Timo Saloniemi

Keturah February 26 2013 06:36 PM

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I remember someone asking Marina Sirtis about this phenomena at a convention. Rather than explaining who or why she just smiled and said. "No let's think about this. Gentleman, which outfit would you like to see?" And that was that.

Pavonis February 26 2013 06:46 PM

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Dal Rassak wrote: (Post 7734247)
What is a councillor doing wearing a lilac bodysuitall the time? I mean she's meant to be a Starfleet officer, isn't she, and I suppose councillor falls under medical officer,so why doesn't she wear the uniform?
It's only near the end of season 6, after the brief tenure on the Enterprise of Captain Jellico, who insisted she dress more formally, that she did wear the uniform and it suited her much better. But for practically the entire run of the series (barring the odd attractive evening gown) she goes round in this ridiculous number that you might wear doing yoga down the gym. Plus the front was cut so low you'd be in danger of dropping your eyes down her cleavage. How's any normal male meant to take psychological advice from anyone dressed like that? How would you ever concentrate?? What I'm saying is it seems unprofessional.

You're seeing it from a 20th century perspective; it was meant to imply a much different society in the 24th century. Cleavage? Why not? What are they - Puritan prudes? Body-hugging uniforms - why not? Is she supposed to pretend she doesn't have a body? Or poor men, they have uncontrollable urges. Must suppress them! Make the women dress in burlap sacks so the men can concentrate.

Rhaven February 26 2013 06:56 PM

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I don't have the ability to link stuff from work but remember the dress uniforms for TNG? They looked like dresses and the leggings just added to the silliness of that getup

Lance February 26 2013 07:02 PM

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I've heard it said that the costume actually makes professional sense. Putting Deanna in an outfit where her rank isn't thrust in the face of her patients. If they were contstantly being reminded (by the uniform and rank pips) that they're being asked to 'fess to a woman who is their Commander as well as their counsellor, a junior officer might be less willing to go to her with their troubles.

Personally, there's a part of me that kinda wishes they hadn't given her officer rank and put her in a uniform in the pilot episode in the first place. That was the mistake, if anything. The character might have been better served if the implication was of her being essentially an outside civilian in a high position. Of course, it would be hard to accentuate her importance in the ship's hierarchy without showing her rank... :confused:

Shazam! February 26 2013 07:08 PM

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Lance wrote: (Post 7735003)
there's a part of me that kinda wishes they hadn't given her officer rank and put her in a uniform in the pilot episode in the first place. That was the mistake

Troi in a miniskirt is NEVER a mistake.

Pavonis February 26 2013 07:08 PM

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Lance wrote: (Post 7735003)
Of course, it would be hard to accentuate her importance in the ship's hierarchy without showing her rank... :confused:

But that's what they did for five seasons. Hell, when "Disaster" originally aired, I had forgotten Troi had a rank at all. I had completely forgotten she had been depicted as a Starfleet officer in the pilot, and had taken to thinking of her as a civilian psychiatrist/psychologist serving Starfleet, the way Guinan is a civilian serving drinks as a bartender.

Lance February 26 2013 07:22 PM

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Shazam! wrote: (Post 7735024)
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Lance wrote: (Post 7735003)
there's a part of me that kinda wishes they hadn't given her officer rank and put her in a uniform in the pilot episode in the first place. That was the mistake

Troi in a miniskirt is NEVER a mistake.

;)

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Pavonis wrote: (Post 7735030)
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Lance wrote: (Post 7735003)
Of course, it would be hard to accentuate her importance in the ship's hierarchy without showing her rank... :confused:

But that's what they did for five seasons. Hell, when "Disaster" originally aired, I had forgotten Troi had a rank at all. I had completely forgotten she had been depicted as a Starfleet officer in the pilot, and had taken to thinking of her as a civilian psychiatrist/psychologist serving Starfleet, the way Guinan is a civilian serving drinks as a bartender.

Oh, I feel exactly the same way. For the longest time I actually used to think that it had been a conscious decision made by the production team after the pilot episode, to retcon her as a civilian. So it seemed weird to me too when "Disaster" reminded us of her technical rank of lieutenant commander, and then seasons six, seven and the movies seen her increasingly wearing uniform again instead of the leotards.

Orac February 27 2013 12:31 AM

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Gene Roddenberry?

RandyS February 27 2013 12:54 AM

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Orac wrote: (Post 7736389)
Gene Roddenberry?

We have a winner!

Takeru February 27 2013 01:23 AM

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Pavonis wrote: (Post 7734880)
You're seeing it from a 20th century perspective; it was meant to imply a much different society in the 24th century.

Wrong, it was meant to show Marina Sirtis cleavage to appeal to the male audience, it wasn't meant to imply anything anout the 24th century.

Dream February 27 2013 01:31 AM

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Roddenberry originally wanted to Deanna to have three breasts, and he had to be convinced that it was a stupid idea. We dodged a bullet! :lol:


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