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Flying Spaghetti Monster February 24 2013 05:54 AM

Captain Klaa - translator
 
Does anyone else find it really neat to learn that the Klingon who is in the booth running the Klingon Translation program (you can hear him say "...that Enterprise fired on Kronos One") is actually Klaa from the previous film?

Pretty awesome

trevanian February 24 2013 07:12 AM

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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 7723234)
Does anyone else find it really neat to learn that the Klingon who is in the booth running the Klingon Translation program (you can hear him say "...that Enterprise fired on Kronos One") is actually Klaa from the previous film?

Pretty awesome

Thought it was cooler to realize he was the same actor playing the guy next to Peter Preston in the engine room in TWOK.

sbk1234 February 24 2013 08:05 AM

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I feel bad for Capt. Klaa. He went from commanding his own ship to being a translator? That can't be a promotion in the Klingon Empire.

Kronos February 24 2013 10:59 AM

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trevanian wrote: (Post 7723453)
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 7723234)
Does anyone else find it really neat to learn that the Klingon who is in the booth running the Klingon Translation program (you can hear him say "...that Enterprise fired on Kronos One") is actually Klaa from the previous film?

Pretty awesome

Thought it was cooler to realize he was the same actor playing the guy next to Peter Preston in the engine room in TWOK.

What a career path, spy on a federation ship to being a captain of a bucket of bolts and finally ending up as a translator.

Metryq February 24 2013 11:19 AM

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Why is this 23rd century "UN" using live translators when Kirk used a hacked "universal" translator to talk to a creature they had never encountered before in "Metamorphosis"? Heck, even today's smartphones are getting into the act.

Yes, Klaa was demoted to furniture.

King Daniel Into Darkness February 24 2013 02:20 PM

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Metryq wrote: (Post 7724062)
Why is this 23rd century "UN" using live translators when Kirk used a hacked "universal" translator to talk to a creature they had never encountered before in "Metamorphosis"? Heck, even today's smartphones are getting into the act.

Yes, Klaa was demoted to furniture.

Because Nicholas Meyer gave Trek a huge technological downgrade in STII and the movies carried on from there.

Tosk February 24 2013 02:58 PM

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And because Meyer wanted to emulate Adlai Stevenson questioning Zorin about the Cuban Missile Crisis. "Don't wait for the translation..."

Mr. Laser Beam February 24 2013 04:00 PM

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sbk1234 wrote: (Post 7723609)
I feel bad for Capt. Klaa. He went from commanding his own ship to being a translator? That can't be a promotion in the Klingon Empire.

It was probably part of Klaa's punishment for screwing up in ST V.

Sir Rhosis February 25 2013 12:29 AM

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Not to get too nerdy (says a Trek fan), but didn't the translator have different forehead bumps to Klaa. Same actor, different bumps (said the nerdy...).

Sir Rhosis

FormerLurker February 25 2013 12:29 AM

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In a state show-trial*, why would the Klingons be using a universal translator anyway? Live translators are much more show-offy and "special".



*Kirk and McCoy are accused of murdering Gorkon, remember.

Metryq February 25 2013 02:34 AM

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King Daniel wrote: (Post 7724326)
Because Nicholas Meyer gave Trek a huge technological downgrade in STII and the movies carried on from there.

Umm...what? Let me think: warp drive, phasers, communicators, transporters and some new tech like the Genesis device. Were there some faxes or chemical powered rockets I'm not remembering? Really, I'm drawing a blank here—what "huge technological downgrade" are you talking about? Kirk's print book and spectacles? (The glasses were explained due to Kirk's allergy to retinox.) Was there the squeal of a 1400 baud modem from Uhura's comm station? Wooden wagon wheels on the Enterprise? Solutrean spear points on the photon torpedoes?

Therin of Andor February 25 2013 09:32 AM

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Metryq wrote: (Post 7727068)
I'm drawing a blank here—what "huge technological downgrade" are you talking about?

Lots of little things:

Spray-n-wear clothing in TMP vs Jackets on clotheshangers (ST III)

Perscan belt buckles in TMP, gone by ST II

Wrist communicators in TMP vs return to TOS handheld in ST II

ST II's photon torpedo track grates...

Timo February 25 2013 10:56 AM

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If anything, TMP was the movie to dumb down treknology big time. Suddenly, robust small spacecraft that had looked like something Flash Gordon or Dan Dare would be comfortable with (the TOS shuttle) were back to looking like fragile NASA hardware (the workbees and their container trains). Docking maneuvers took aeons, compared with the swift shuttle launch and recovery procedures of TOS. Sturdy space stations like K-7 were "succeeded" by 20th-century-realistic scaffolding. Getting out of the ship suddenly required docking ports and airlocks, with dedicated operating crew operating dedicated control consoles for said. And transporter rooms went from utilitarian staging areas with lots of vanity covering to techno-temples with exposed machinery and a glass booth to protect the operator.

I'm surprised the movie didn't insist on having the phasers spit out spent cartridges...

As for Klaa in STVI, a quick comparison:

ST V forehead here

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tffhd1946.jpg

ST VI forehead here only...

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tuchd1100.jpg

Any ideas on backstage pictures where the latter could actually be seen?

Timo Saloniemi

Tosk February 25 2013 11:09 AM

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Therin of Andor wrote: (Post 7729270)
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Metryq wrote: (Post 7727068)
I'm drawing a blank here—what "huge technological downgrade" are you talking about?

Lots of little things:

Spray-n-wear clothing in TMP vs Jackets on clotheshangers (ST III)

Perscan belt buckles in TMP, gone by ST II

Wrist communicators in TMP vs return to TOS handheld in ST II

ST II's photon torpedo track grates...

None of those indicate a technological backstep, just a preference. Just because something is no longer used, doesn't mean it no longer exists. Especially the communicators...when's the last time you saw a calculator wristwatch?

Timo February 25 2013 11:33 AM

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...Of course, ST2 did have wristwatch communicators. But only on the Reliant crew.

And we never saw any spray-n-wear clothing or "perscan" buckles in TMP - merely a series of bad fashion choices. If there was any functionality to these items, it was off screen, off dialogue, like about 90% of the ideas regarding TMP.

Timo Saloniemi


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