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Dal Rassak February 19 2013 03:37 PM

why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
I keep reading comments where people say he's just boring and pointless.
I don't get that. Yes, he's a quiet personality, that doesn't mean he hasn't got one!

I thought Philip Anglim did quite a lot with the role, portraying him with both strength of character and a subtle quirk of mischief. I found him a good counterpart to Winn in that his belief was more sincere while lacking her dogmatic fanaticism. And I like the unruffled way he let all of Winn's attempts to rile him simply roll off his back.
With his way of resting in himself he'd also have made the perfect match for unstable firecracker Kira - they'd have complemented one another.

I know why it played well for dramatic reasons but I for one was sorry to see the character die.

DalekJim February 19 2013 03:49 PM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
He was bland and pointless. My least favourite character in the whole of DS9 along with Ishka and Zek. Every time he comes on-screen I unintentionally let out a sigh.

Sigokat February 19 2013 04:25 PM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
I always thought he was a tad creepy as well.

dub February 19 2013 05:31 PM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
I thought he was okay, but mainly for me his character's interaction with Kira helped develop Odo and his interest in Kira. His character also served to highlight Winn's desire for power.

Dover February 19 2013 07:09 PM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
I think it's both: he was boring and bland, but that's exactly what made him an interesting match for Kira. I think he was a really dull character to watch on a TV show, but in the "reality" of their lives, would probably have been the most suitable long-term relationship of the men she was involved with, had he lived. It just makes for boring TV.

I've always suspected that the Bajoran men are boring on purpose, like it's a cultural thing. The women are all fiery and aggressive, and the men are all quiet and reserved. It seems pretty consistent. Of course Bareil has the whole monk thing going on which magnifies it, and his utter calm makes his romantic interest in Kira read as creepy.

JirinPanthosa February 20 2013 06:05 AM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
Bareil's role in the story was important and vital, but he never came off as personally interesting. He never really convinced you he was the maverick secularist he was written as.

BruntFCA February 20 2013 07:15 AM

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He definitely served his purpose but he wasn't a particularly strong character IMO.

SJSharksfan39 February 20 2013 08:55 AM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
I just watched Bariel's best episodes, In the Hands of the Prophets and the Circle Trilogy. I liked the character just fine and looking forward to revisiting The Collaborator, which I think is an underrated episode.

heavy lids February 21 2013 03:45 AM

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Bareil was such a creep. Not in like a Jerry Sandusky way, but just the way he talked made me feel really uncomfortable.

heavy lids February 21 2013 03:45 AM

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Quote:

tomalak301 wrote: (Post 7706395)
looking forward to revisiting The Collaborator, which I think is an underrated episode.

Very true.

Shanndee February 21 2013 05:02 AM

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JirinPanthosa wrote: (Post 7706116)
Bareil's role in the story was important and vital, but he never came off as personally interesting. He never really convinced you he was the maverick secularist he was written as.

Well said. A friend of mine was trying to get me to explain why I didn't really like the character and you hit the nail on the head for me. Bareil "in person" was nowhere near the character discussed in conversation.

Dover February 21 2013 06:03 AM

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heavy lids wrote: (Post 7709902)
Bareil was such a creep. Not in like a Jerry Sandusky way, but just the way he talked made me feel really uncomfortable.

I've been thinking more about this, and I think I've figured it out (at least for why he's creepy to me).

I think it's because when he and Kira first start to spend time together, it's framed as a spiritual retreat, with him as her priest, essentially. So she agrees to go to his monastery and explore the gardens and stuff, and suddenly he's coming onto her, but in a sort of subdued way, where his tone suggests he's up to something, but his words pretend like he's still acting as her religious advisor, and that's just creepy and manipulative.

And what makes it more awkward is that it's not really clear at first if she's into it. She's obviously intrigued, but also confused and uncomfortable. I understand that he probably already had the naked orb vision before he came to the station, and realized it was the will of the prophets that they get together, but to anyone not privy to the prophets' intentions, he's just a creepy priest using his position of trust to get in a woman's pants.

I love when they meet Winn at the monastery and he says, "Major Kira is here to explore her pagh," and Winn's face is like, "Oh, is that what the kids are calling it these days?"

Anyway, I don't have a problem with their later relationship, but for the first couple episodes, it feels like he has all the power and is taking advantage of her a bit.

Dal Rassak February 21 2013 04:39 PM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
I really don't get where everyone takes the "creepy" bit from. I always found him thoroughly likeable.
About the "coming on to her", he actually tells her expressly afterwards that he had had a vision that showed her as part of his future. He must have hoped she'd be shown the same thing when he led her to view the Orb.
I reckon he was starting to fall in love with her by then so couldn't manage to be completely neutral and detached, but tried not to make an obvious pass at her until she'd worked out what she wanted. I always read his behaviour as just that, trying to give space to someone you're attracted to, and didn't see anything creepy about it.

DS9forever February 21 2013 08:02 PM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
Somebody must have liked Bareil; the DS9 writers kept getting mail from kooks wanting him to brought back after he died!

WesleysDisciple February 21 2013 09:37 PM

Re: why so many unfavourable comments about Bareil?
 
uhmmmn any of the people thinking bajoran men are all Bland... remember Tahna Loess from the 2nd episode.

hes a VERY intense charachter.


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