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The Overlord February 16 2013 04:35 AM

Best and worst bottle shows
 
What were the best and worst bottle show episodes?

Salinga February 16 2013 04:49 AM

Re: Best and worst bottle shows
 
I liked VOYs "Message in a Bottle"

CorporalClegg February 16 2013 04:51 AM

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Best? Probably "Duet."

I'd have to think about worst--there are a few groaners.

The Overlord February 16 2013 05:11 AM

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CorporalClegg wrote: (Post 7689838)
Best? Probably "Duet."

I'd have to think about worst--there are a few groaners.

I think Duet is the best as well, though I also like Drumhead, that would be my second favorite.

The worst has to be A Night in Sick Bay, where Archer acted like a childish lunatic for the whole episode. Good bottle episodes forgo special effects and focus on interesting situations and character studies, bad bottle episodes seem like pointless filler and have the characters involve in insipid plots because they couldn't get the budget to do something better.

milo bloom February 16 2013 05:42 AM

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Cause and Effect?

Remember Me was briefly at the star base but was otherwise only on the ship.

MacLeod February 16 2013 05:54 AM

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Salinga wrote: (Post 7689829)
I liked VOYs "Message in a Bottle"

Is that really a bottle show. Bottle shows are usually effects lite, use standing sets, and have maybe one or two guest stars.

Dream February 16 2013 06:18 AM

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"Shades of Gray" has to be the worst!

Cookies and Cake February 16 2013 06:39 AM

Re: Best and worst bottle shows
 
Going by the list at http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bottle_show, I'd pick TOS: The Doomsday Machine as the best bottle show, since it's my all-time personal favorite episode anyway. A runner-up would be TNG: The Offspring. Quite a few of those totally suck, especially TNG: Shades of Gray. However, I'm not convinced that that list is entirely accurate or complete.

Further discussion of bottle episodes can be found at http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../BottleEpisode.

SchwEnt February 16 2013 07:44 AM

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Bottle shows are awesome.

The Doomsday Machine.
The Ultimate Computer.
The Offspring.
The Drumhead.
The Immunity Syndrome.
The Corbomite Maneuver.
Duet.
Charlie X.
The Changeling.

Lots more.

ZapBrannigan February 16 2013 10:21 AM

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I like a lot of bottle shows, but one that does not work for me is TOS "The Mark of Gideon."

(Spoilers)

The gimmick of building a fake Enterprise could not work, because the aliens would not have such detailed information, and even if they thought they did, it would never be exact and particularized enough to fool Kirk.

And it would not be done, because the aliens would have alternative ways of bottling up Kirk that are immensely faster and cheaper than building a huge starship interior.

But what was wildly impractical and expensive for the Gideonites was transparently easy and cheap for the show.

DS9forever February 16 2013 10:05 PM

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DS9's "Civil Defense" is pretty excellent.

Tiberius February 17 2013 01:14 AM

Re: Best and worst bottle shows
 
Best is Civil Defence, Duet, Doomsday Machine, etc.

Worst is Shades of Grey.

CorporalClegg February 17 2013 01:43 AM

Re: Best and worst bottle shows
 
The caveat to "Shades of Gray" is I don't consider clips shows to be bottle episodes. They're glorified "previously" teasers. And there's never been a good one. Ever.

SG1 had a borderline "okay" one every now and then. But they had so many it was more a matter of probability. Trek only dared try it once and it was so bad they stayed away permanently.

Tiberius February 17 2013 02:22 AM

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CorporalClegg wrote: (Post 7692736)
The caveat to "Shades of Gray" is I don't consider clips shows to be bottle episodes. They're glorified "previously" teasers. And there's never been a good one. Ever.

But it is a bottle show. No guest stars, no real FX heavy bits and the only new set is a bunch of plants on a soundstage. How is that not a bottle show?

Cookies and Cake February 17 2013 02:29 AM

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Shades of Gray is perhaps more precisely called a clip show, I think is the point, yes?


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