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Nero's Shadow February 8 2013 03:19 PM

Proto matter and red matter ??
 
Just watched TSFS again and i noticed that savvik and David where discussing the genesis affect to the planet and David admitted that he had used the dangerous substance proto matter in the experiment. I'm wondering if red matter is the same substance that spock try use to stop the supernova in trek 09 seems realistic don't you think ??

Ketrick February 8 2013 03:44 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
I don't think they're the same. Protomatter was said to be unstable (probably in the explosive sense), not that it created artificial black holes. If memory serves, protomatter was in the explosive the Bashir changeling tried to use to destroy the Bajoran sun. However, the two substances may be related.

F. King Daniel February 8 2013 05:40 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.

According to the novelverse (DTI: Watching the Clock), Red Matter was discovered in 2383, and at that time had only been synthesized in microscopic quantities. And they didn't actually know how a runaway chain reaction of any significant quantity would would end.

Christopher February 8 2013 06:33 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
They're both variant forms of handwavium, also known as phlebotinum.

EyalM February 8 2013 06:53 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
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King Daniel wrote: (Post 7657060)
Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.

And don't forget anti-matter.

Joker February 8 2013 08:31 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
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Nero's Shadow wrote: (Post 7656631)
seems realistic

Hmm.

BillJ February 8 2013 08:39 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
They are two distinct plot macguffins.

F. King Daniel February 8 2013 10:58 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
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EyalM wrote: (Post 7657282)
Quote:

King Daniel wrote: (Post 7657060)
Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.

And don't forget anti-matter.

And uncle matter.

Gojira February 8 2013 11:18 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
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BillJ wrote: (Post 7657645)
They are two distinct plot macguffins.

You beat me too it! :techman:

Dukhat February 9 2013 12:44 AM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
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Christopher wrote: (Post 7657195)
They're both variant forms of handwavium, also known as phlebotinum.

Not to mention plotdeviceum.

DaveyNY February 9 2013 02:30 AM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
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King Daniel wrote: (Post 7658230)
Quote:

EyalM wrote: (Post 7657282)
Quote:

King Daniel wrote: (Post 7657060)
Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.

And don't forget anti-matter.

And uncle matter.

Wouldn't that be Uncky-matter?

Therin of Andor February 9 2013 12:53 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
Unobtainium.

Doesntmatter.

YellowSubmarine February 9 2013 01:40 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
If proto-matter is related to matter in the same way proto-planet is related to planet, then dark matter, red matter and chocolate matter are all made out of proto-matter.

M'Sharak February 9 2013 07:10 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
What about Upsidaisium?

Ovation February 9 2013 08:05 PM

Re: Proto matter and red matter ??
 
That only works in light, happy places, not dark ones. Sorry.


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