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SimpleLogic February 5 2013 08:15 AM

Kai Winn
Anyone else want to punch her face till your hand hurts?

I been watching a few DS9 episodes here and there and she is the most unlikable character ever. Louise Fletcher is great at making you hate this character. Schemers and opportunists in a religious order make me so sick. Vedek Bareil should have been the Kai.

tighr February 5 2013 08:16 AM

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Eh, in the end, she gets hers.

SimpleLogic February 5 2013 08:33 AM

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True and its very satisfying.

Melakon February 5 2013 09:03 AM

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Louise Fletcher won awards for dislikable characters. See One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975), if you haven't yet.

SimpleLogic February 5 2013 09:13 AM

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Oh I have and she is very nasty in that as well.

Bry_Sinclair February 5 2013 09:27 AM

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Winn was a great character, someone you love to hate, played brilliantly and given her own well-executed arc.

Loskene February 5 2013 10:10 AM

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She played Ratchet, so much makes sense now.

I like how she calls everyone my child, like she is the mother and they are all little children who's opinions don't matter.

She is a real Class A1 power grabber.

Deckerd February 5 2013 10:16 AM

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Winn was one of my most favourite characters in DS9. She stole every scene and had more menace in one gentle utterance than Dukat could muster in his entire repertoire.

Loskene February 5 2013 10:45 AM

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One of my favorite episodes has a villain like her. Admiral Satie and her hearings. What Picard says about her fits Winn perfectly.

"We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. And then, before you can blink an eye, suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

"I believed her. I-I HELPED her! I did not see what she was."
"Mr. Worf, villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged."
"I think, after yesterday, people will not be so ready to trust her."
"Maybe. But she or someone like her will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish--spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mr. Worf. That is the price we have to continually pay."

We got to see behind the scenes, understand what the main cast suspects and saw of her but couldn't prove how evil she really was. From the point of view of the average Bajoran she is just a former labor camp victim beaten for teaching the word of their gods, led the country but gallantly stood down to continue her work teaching the prophets, united Cardassia and Bajor with a historic treaty putting aside old hatreds and working to the good of all Bajor.Such a brilliant character.

teacake February 5 2013 11:08 AM

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She is my favorite DS9 character, incredible to watch and very nuanced. She's fascinating.

Deckerd February 5 2013 11:09 AM

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And didn't we all go "Ewwwwwwwwwwww"? Great TV.

Tosk February 5 2013 11:11 AM

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Winn is a great example of DS9's writers 'correcting' themselves. They realized that there was no conflict in having a Kai that was benevolent, so Opaka bit the dust and we got awesome manipulative condescending Winn to replace her. :)

teacake February 5 2013 11:15 AM

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I went "EWWWW..." at her in bed with Dukat.

Every time I see her scene with Kira where you think Winn is having a revelation and may actually change I am always a bit awed at how she doesn't.

DalekJim February 5 2013 11:26 AM

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Winn is a fascinating character. Love her to bits.

SimpleLogic February 5 2013 11:53 AM

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I just finished "Shakaar" where Winn wants to capture Zorro and at the end they just threaten to expose her. They should have just exposed her anyway. And yes this character does get me riled, but I agree is a great one to cause such an emotional response.

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