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The Overlord January 27 2013 09:25 AM
The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
What were the Ferengi better as, comic relief or villains

Tosk January 27 2013 09:33 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
Ferengi as villains? Hah ha! That's a good one. ;)

Melakon January 27 2013 10:01 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
With the Ferengi, "comic relief" and "villains" were never mutually exclusive.

teacake January 27 2013 10:53 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
They were better as a very interesting race whose values gave the Federation the finger without that finger being all about bloodshed.

Captain Nebula January 27 2013 12:29 PM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
The Ferengi on DS9 were hilarious. They were one of the best parts of the show.

"Then the Andorian says... 'That's not my antenna.'"

;)

On TNG, they were sort of a replacement for the Orions from The Original Series. Not the scariest villains, tho.

Lance January 27 2013 02:16 PM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7598074)
What were the Ferengi better as, comic relief or villains?
And the correct answer is: which ever one turns up the most profit for them. ;)

sonak January 27 2013 05:24 PM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
comic relief


they're too broad of a caricature to really be effective villains, and they don't really care about conquest, which makes them less scary as adversaries-they don't want to defeat you, they want to swindle you.

BillJ January 27 2013 05:55 PM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
Honestly, they're better off being completely forgotten.

Anji January 27 2013 11:43 PM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
They were created as comic relief and are brilliant when used in that capacity. If I'd ever get the chance to guest star I'd love for them to make me a Ferengi!

BillJ January 28 2013 01:35 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
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Anji wrote: (Post 7600684)
They were created as comic relief and are brilliant when used in that capacity. If I'd ever get the chance to guest star I'd love for them to make me a Ferengi!
They weren't created as comic relief, they were suppose to be the replacement for Klingons/Romulans and failed in spectacular fashion.

The Wormhole January 28 2013 02:04 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
They clearly worked better as comic relief, though I think it is possible to make them villains that work. They'd just have to be villains in a different mold than the Klingon/Romulan replacement they were originally imagined as.

Think about it, the Ferengi are basically corporate CEOs. That's some pretty scary shit right there.

Mr. Laser Beam January 28 2013 02:08 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
No reason why they can't be both.

In episodes like "Peak Performance" (TNG) they seemed menacing enough.

Dream January 28 2013 02:18 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
The problem is that they started jumping around like monkeys when they first appeared.

The shitty writing of TNG S1 doomed them as villains from the start.

plynch January 28 2013 04:36 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
Hopping monkeys making a sleestak noise, with energy whips, iirc. Ridiculous. The best enemies are the cool ones: Kor the Klingon or Gul Dukat.

CorporalCaptain January 28 2013 05:15 AM
Re: The Ferengi: Better as comic relief or villains?
 
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Anji wrote: (Post 7600684)
They were created as comic relief
No, they weren't. From http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ferengi#Background:

Quote:
  • The Ferengi were initially conceived by the early writers of Star Trek: The Next Generation to become a real threat to the Federation, as the Klingons were in The Original Series. In fact, the Ferengi were intended to take the place of the Klingons, who could no longer be used as regular antagonists. It was soon realized, however, that nothing about the Ferengi was threatening at all. Producer Robert Justman later reckoned, "If you wanted to keep the characters around I suppose that's what you have to end up doing – you can't have them always hissing at each other. I guess Rick [Berman] took the road that was the best way to go once they became popular." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 12, p. 21) The Ferengi's level of technological development therefore also changed. For example, in "The Last Outpost", the Ferengi have technology on par with that of the Federation, but by the time of "Little Green Men", it is revealed that they are not that technologically advanced, and have bought a good share of their technology.
  • Many people (including Ira Steven Behr and Armin Shimerman) consider the introduction of the Ferengi in TNG to be "a disaster". Indeed, Behr asks, "Was there ever an alien race on Star Trek that did not work more than the Ferengi when they were introduced?" (Quark's Story, DS9 Season 2 DVD special features) Likewise, Wil Wheaton has stated that the Ferengi were "probably the lamest enemy ever introduced in the history of television." [2] On the other hand, Robert Justman thought the Ferengi worked best when they were first introduced. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 12, p. 21)
  • [...]
  • Star Trek: Deep Space Nine re-imagined the Ferengi as a scheming, profit-driven, yet likable species – a change that had begun in TNG episodes such as "Ménage à Troi". As Ira Behr states, "Deep Space Nine and Armin Shimerman and Quark and some others, have made the Ferengis a race to be enjoyed and cherished." (Quark's Story, DS9 Season 2 DVD special features) Indeed, Armin Shimerman himself even goes so far as to say of his DS9 character, "My agenda in playing Quark was to try to undo the horrible thing that I had done to the Ferengi in "The Last Outpost", where I had presented a real one dimensional character." (Crew Dossier: Quark, DS9 Season 6 DVD special features)
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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: (Post 7601380)
No reason why they can't be both.

In episodes like "Peak Performance" (TNG) they seemed menacing enough.
Yeah. Personally, I agree with both of these points.

Some of the DS9 comedy involving the Ferengi was truly funny; I found a lot of Rom's lines hilarious. But some of those episodes were monumental bores.


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