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Servo January 15 2013 12:12 AM

Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
Yep, it's available early if you know where to look. I already know I'm buying the Blu-Ray at the end of the month, so I figured why bother waiting?

I thought part one was excellent. The animation was beautifully reminiscent of the original book, the voice acting was spot on, there isn't a single downside to that movie, so there's no surprise that part two continues in exactly the same vein.

Emerson is pitch perfect as the Joker. I'd been looking forward to hearing him in full on Joker mode, and he does not disappoint at all. He captures every nuance of the character perfectly, from eerie psychotic calm, to full on maniacal rage. Perfect casting for this version of the clown prince of crime.

The climactic battle between Batman and the boy scout is brilliantly realised, and quite brutal, as you'd expect from the tone of the story.

No real need to go into major plot points; we all know the story, and those who don't are in for one hell of a ride. Just know that if you enjoyed part one, you're gonna love part two.

My copy also had a sneak peek at Superman Unbound at the end, which I for one can not wait for.

davejames January 15 2013 02:06 AM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
Like the first part, I thought it had it's moments. But much like with the Watchmen movie, it felt to me like something got a bit lost in the translation. They played things way too straight, and much of the dark and subversive 80s satire of the comic just didn't come through very well (especially when it came to the Reagan and USSR stuff). It all just seemed very odd and bizarre. And plus it was long and bloated as hell.

Although I admit the showdown between Batman and Joker was pretty good.

Servo January 15 2013 01:13 PM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
Didn't feel long and bloated to me. I wasn't bored or clockwatching at any point. The film had me from start to finish.

Ayelbourne January 15 2013 07:46 PM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
Can't really agree on the Emerson love. To me he sounded too well-behaved, too restrained. He made me miss Mark Hamill.

Apart from that, the movie is great, though.

the G-man January 16 2013 11:09 PM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
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Servo wrote: (Post 7537912)
Didn't feel long and bloated to me. I wasn't bored or clockwatching at any point. The film had me from start to finish.

I haven't seen part 2 but, as far as Part 1, yes. I'd put it up there just behind Phantasm and Nolan's TDK as far as Batman adaptations go.

Captain Qwert Jr January 29 2013 01:47 PM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
Let's see how people react to Nazi-Boobs! Political correctness was still about 2 years away when this was printed.


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Servo wrote: (Post 7537912)
Didn't feel long and bloated to me.

I suppose that was my main problem with it. The pacing was way, way too quick. Like the first part, it wisely does not try to slavishly mimic the comic. What works so well in the comic, often comes out terribly in the other mediums. And yet...

Many sections of the Book were soliloquies (with panels) by the characters. I can see why some should not have been included, due to the artistic differences of the medium, or overall direction. Superman's post-nuke thoughts probably would not come out well on screen. Overwrougt or corny. But others...You may as well have not included Alfred at all if you weren't going to include the 'purloined letter' sequence. I suppose no narration is less awkward than occasional narration on screen. I wish the director could have found a solution to that.

OTOH, I did think there were some Nice little things that invoke the book's spirit, without compromising the show's integrity. The additions to the end, for example, such as Gordon's exchange with Superman (I think that's new), and Olly leading the bat-boys.

I saw it OnDemand, so it was no frills. Cant judge any extras the DVD may have. The end credits were too wide for the screen for some reason.

Shazam! January 29 2013 01:51 PM

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Servo wrote: (Post 7535563)
I already know I'm buying the Blu-Ray at the end of the month, so I figured why bother waiting?.

Me too.

I thought the whole thing was fantastic. It's the best Bat-thing I've seen on screen since TAS, easily trumping any of Nolan's efforts.

the G-man January 30 2013 01:23 PM

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Let's see how people react to Nazi-Boobs! Political correctness was still about 2 years away when this was printed.
Not on college campuses, as I recall. It was already alive and well.

Dream January 30 2013 02:52 PM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
Anyone know if any stores are selling both Parts 1+2 packaged together? :confused:

Mr Light January 31 2013 03:57 AM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
That was much better than Part One, but of course the material is much better. I do feel the presentation REALLY suffered from the lack of narration in this one, though. Particularly when Superman is hit by the nuke and is dying and he's praying to Mother Earth to heal him, that rang completely false without the narration.

But Batman beating the shit out of Superman was totally awesome :D

Much as I love Michael Emerson, I didn't like his Joker portrayal. But the end of the Joker was great. I didn't remember him shooting all those innocents like that though, that was really brutal.

shivkala January 31 2013 04:10 AM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
I saw Part I yesterday and agree about the lack of narration. To me, the moments I remember from the graphic novel are the narration.

Mr Light February 1 2013 04:47 AM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
So is it just me or would this movie have sold twice as well if they put Batman punching Superman on the cover rather than that incredibly generic picture of Bats?

Also, they should have called it Dark Knight Returns Part Two: Batman vs Superman!

I'm partly joking, but I'm sure that would have increased sales. I'm sure non-comics readers aren't gonna know this movie has the most bad ass Batman vs Superman fight ever.

JD February 1 2013 05:07 AM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
The covers for these are rather bland. What you mentioned would have definitely been more interesting.

Phily B February 10 2013 02:22 AM

Re: Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Pt2 *SPOILERS*
 
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davejames wrote: (Post 7536085)
Like the first part, I thought it had it's moments. But much like with the Watchmen movie, it felt to me like something got a bit lost in the translation. They played things way too straight, and much of the dark and subversive 80s satire of the comic just didn't come through very well (especially when it came to the Reagan and USSR stuff). It all just seemed very odd and bizarre. And plus it was long and bloated as hell.

Although I admit the showdown between Batman and Joker was pretty good.

RT, a lot of the stuff doesn't translate well.

the G-man February 10 2013 04:01 AM

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I'm watching part 2 right now and loving it so far


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