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magarity January 14 2013 06:15 AM

most "wrong" episode...
 
As everyone has noticed the writers often use Star Trek to beat viewers over the head with a not at all disguised moral lesson but some times there's an episode that is just wrong. A friend and I were discussing this today and the most wrong episode we could come up with was a Voyager when the captain and Paris turned into slugs and abandoned their slug babies on an anonymous planet. That's so wrong on so many levels... My friend was sure there must be one worse in TOS but couldn't come up with one. I challenge this audience to come up with a more disturbingly messed up (on a personal level for the characters) episode, any series.

YARN January 14 2013 07:07 AM

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magarity wrote: (Post 7531990)
As everyone has noticed the writers often use Star Trek to beat viewers over the head with a not at all disguised moral lesson but some times there's an episode that is just wrong. A friend and I were discussing this today and the most wrong episode we could come up with was a Voyager when the captain and Paris turned into slugs and abandoned their slug babies on an anonymous planet. That's so wrong on so many levels... My friend was sure there must be one worse in TOS but couldn't come up with one. I challenge this audience to come up with a more disturbingly messed up (on a personal level for the characters) episode, any series.

Didn't Voyager have a few dubious episodes like that?

Dale Sams January 14 2013 07:23 AM

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magarity wrote: (Post 7531990)
As everyone has noticed the writers often use Star Trek to beat viewers over the head with a not at all disguised moral lesson but some times there's an episode that is just wrong. A friend and I were discussing this today and the most wrong episode we could come up with was a Voyager when the captain and Paris turned into slugs and abandoned their slug babies on an anonymous planet. That's so wrong on so many levels... My friend was sure there must be one worse in TOS but couldn't come up with one. I challenge this audience to come up with a more disturbingly messed up (on a personal level for the characters) episode, any series.

That's a good subject because I was just thinking of my initial reaction to "The Enterprise Incident". I knew it was well-held by the general populace, especially for a third-season ep...

but my first reaction was, "Wait. Why are we cheering these guys? They *did* just invade Romulan space and STEAL something didn't they? And destroy the career (if she and possibly others wern't executed) of an innocent woman, right?"

Captain Rob January 14 2013 10:05 AM

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I'll give you two:
"And the Children Shall Lead" and "Turnabout Intruder".
The first one was so bad that the first TV station I watched TOS on in the early 70's wouldn't run it.

Avon January 14 2013 10:11 AM

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that Enterprise episode where we learn that genocide can be a good thing

BruntFCA January 14 2013 05:57 PM

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Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

Nerys Myk January 14 2013 06:07 PM

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Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

BillJ January 14 2013 06:18 PM

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junxon wrote: (Post 7532374)
that Enterprise episode where we learn that genocide can be a good thing

Dear Doctor. Oh what were Berman and the rest of the buttheads thinking when they greenlit that script? :eek:

BruntFCA January 14 2013 06:31 PM

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BruntFCA wrote: (Post 7533418)
Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

USS Einstein January 14 2013 06:33 PM

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BruntFCA wrote: (Post 7533418)
Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

Who, I guess, were already dead at that point, from a legal/ethical perspective - she wanted to kill one person in order to re-create two :)

My choice would go to some of the pseudo-spiritual episodes that Voyager had, such as The Barge of the Dead (off the top of my head), because we are getting into Star Wars territory there. As someone once argued, the difference between S Wars and S Trek can be seen as a difference in two worldviews; mysticism and rationality.

Nerys Myk January 14 2013 06:43 PM

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BruntFCA wrote: (Post 7533418)
Tuvix-You know the episode where Janeway murders someone? Yeah I'll go with that.

But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

BillJ January 14 2013 06:50 PM

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Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 7533463)
But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

But aren't they technically dead when Tuvix materializes on the transporter pad?

BruntFCA January 14 2013 06:54 PM

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Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 7533463)
But at the same time she saves Tuvok and Neelix.

By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

That wasn't up to Janeway, or at least it shouldn't have been. What Janeway did in this episode as far as I'm concerned is just as bad as if she had killed a random crew member in Phage to give Neelix new lungs.

Nerys Myk January 14 2013 06:59 PM

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BruntFCA wrote: (Post 7533547)
By murdering an innocent man.

So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

But aren't they technically dead when Tuvix materializes on the transporter pad?

In Trek terms? Probably not.

BillJ January 14 2013 07:03 PM

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So Neelix and Tuvok don't deserve to live?

But aren't they technically dead when Tuvix materializes on the transporter pad?

In Trek terms? Probably not.

That's likely good news then for Commander Sonak and Admiral Ciana! :techman:


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