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R. Star January 14 2013 02:54 AM

First Contact Censorship?
 
I was watching First Contact on SyFy today, well had it running in the background anyways. I get they're going to censor a bit of the cursing, blow up the damn ship, to hell with the Phoenix, things like that.

Well what did surprise me is they bleeped out Cocharane's "Sweet Jesus!" when the Enterprise started following the Phoenix.

I mean... come on. Is our society becoming so "politically correct" that we can't even -mention- something mildly religious in public now? Really that's just sad.

Nerys Myk January 14 2013 03:32 AM

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I just finished their broadcast of TVH and they left in all of Spock's "hells" in his conversation with Gillian about the whales. Of course bleeping those would ruin the joke. FC just started to I'll listen for the edits.

Kevin W. January 14 2013 04:01 AM

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It's not surprising. Professor Farnsworth's "Sweet Zombie Jesus!" gets edited out as well.

Christopher January 14 2013 04:02 AM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 7531426)
Well what did surprise me is they bleeped out Cocharane's "Sweet Jesus!" when the Enterprise started following the Phoenix.

I mean... come on. Is our society becoming so "politically correct" that we can't even -mention- something mildly religious in public now? Really that's just sad.

Actually you've got it backward. Bleeping out oaths like that and "G*ddamn" is done to protect the sensibilities of Christians who would find them blasphemous. After all, that would be using the Lord's name in vain, which violates the Third Commandment. It's also using the name disrespectfully, as a swear word, which is hardly properly religious.

And it's hardly a new trend. From a 1927 set of movie censorship guidelines:
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Resolved, That those things which are included in the following list shall not appear in pictures produced by the members of this Association, irrespective of the mann[er] in which they are treated.

1. Pointed profanity-by either title or lip-this includes the words "God," "Lord," "Jesus," Christ" (unless they be used reverently in connection with proper religious ceremonies), "hell," "damn," "Gawd," and every other profane and vulgar expression however it may be spelled;
Ditto the Motion Picture Production Code of 1930: "The name of Jesus Christ should never be used except in reverence."

Dale Sams January 14 2013 05:51 AM

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It was only a couple of years ago that I noticed "faggot" was bleeped out of 'Money for Nothing'...even though Dire Straits are being completly ironic.

boobatuba January 14 2013 05:59 AM

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Pointing out restrictions in using the name "Jesus" in film-making guides from over 80 years ago is really stretching the point.

The movie is made. The references are there. What we are talking about here is SyFy's reason for editing them selectively. This is nothing new for the company that now owns SyFy. Google "SyFy censorship" for a plethora of examples. You should see what they've done to the lesbian relationship in "Lost Girl."

BriGuy January 14 2013 06:20 AM

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I find it incredibly funny that the reference in the movie was removed to prevent offending, and in doing so someone took offense.

Wow.

Dale Sams January 14 2013 06:24 AM

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I think it's funny that my first exposure to Monty Python was on....PBS.

BillJ January 14 2013 01:30 PM

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It's still there on both the Blu-ray and DVD versions of the film. I don't waste time with SyFy.

The Mirrorball Man January 14 2013 01:45 PM

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This is why it would be a good idea to have a constitutional article guaranteeing free speech.

Deckerd January 14 2013 02:59 PM

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Dale Sams wrote: (Post 7531945)
It was only a couple of years ago that I noticed "faggot" was bleeped out of 'Money for Nothing'...even though Dire Straits are being completly ironic.

Not anywhere else except the USA.

Pingfah January 14 2013 03:46 PM

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boobatuba wrote: (Post 7531966)
Pointing out restrictions in using the name "Jesus" in film-making guides from over 80 years ago is really stretching the point.

The movie is made. The references are there. What we are talking about here is SyFy's reason for editing them selectively. This is nothing new for the company that now owns SyFy. Google "SyFy censorship" for a plethora of examples. You should see what they've done to the lesbian relationship in "Lost Girl."

Christopher is right to correct the OP though, SyFy's reasoning in this case is nothing to do with avoiding the mention of religion, but rather avoiding offending the sensibilities of the sort of Christian who might get upset by blasphemy. I'm sure they didn't have those particular guidelines in mind when they did it, but in this case they did it for the same reason the guidelines were written.

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The Mirrorball Man wrote: (Post 7532701)
This is why it would be a good idea to have a constitutional article guaranteeing free speech.

Not sure what point you are trying to make? I am sure you are aware that the USA has a constitution that makes such a provision, but it cannot force a private TV company to broadcast material they don't want to, and nor should it.

Relayer1 January 14 2013 03:50 PM

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Resolved, That those things which are included in the following list shall not appear in pictures produced by the members of this Association, irrespective of the mann[er] in which they are treated.

1. Pointed profanity-by either title or lip-this includes the words "God," "Lord," "Jesus," Christ" (unless they be used reverently in connection with proper religious ceremonies), "hell," "damn," "Gawd," and every other profane and vulgar expression however it may be spelled;
But what if the 'offending' phrase isn't actually being incorrectly used ? Maybe the character is genuinely imploring the deity of their choice to damn someone ?

iguana_tonante January 14 2013 03:54 PM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 7531675)
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R. Star wrote: (Post 7531426)
Well what did surprise me is they bleeped out Cocharane's "Sweet Jesus!" when the Enterprise started following the Phoenix.

I mean... come on. Is our society becoming so "politically correct" that we can't even -mention- something mildly religious in public now? Really that's just sad.

Actually you've got it backward. Bleeping out oaths like that and "G*ddamn" is done to protect the sensibilities of Christians who would find them blasphemous. After all, that would be using the Lord's name in vain, which violates the Third Commandment. It's also using the name disrespectfully, as a swear word, which is hardly properly religious.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to mention.

But good on R.Star for blaming it on "political correctness", which of course is just a buzzword that means "those godless liberals". Swing and a miss, buddy.

Balrog January 14 2013 03:58 PM

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That's nothing. The Family Channel took out the word "terrorists" during the scene Marty writes Doc a letter in Back to the Future.


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