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DalekJim January 13 2013 02:25 PM

Great Intelligence (Spoilers)
 
I've been up all night watching the Troughton recons of the first 2 Great Intelligence stories and uh... this doesn't add up. The 2012 Christmas special provided an origin story for the Intelligence but in The Abominable Snowmen it has been around for hundreds of years prior?

What is going on!? A fairly major fuck up there that Moffat could have avoided merely by basic Wikipedia research.

JoeZhang January 13 2013 02:30 PM

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What is going on!?
Nothing.

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A fairly major fuck up
How can something a few web nerds care about be called "fairly major" - who cares? how does it change the story as presented?

DalekJim January 13 2013 02:34 PM

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Because it's a huge error? The entirety of The Abominable Snowmen hinges on The Doctor's prior visit to the monastery hundreds of years ago. It's kinda impossible to overlook when watching either story.

We have an origin story for something that 2 appearances earlier is said to have been around for over a hundred years prior to said origin story. It's a really weird error.

Wintertainment January 13 2013 02:39 PM

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maybe the dr went to the monastary and didn't tell you, to teach you a lesson about whining about insignificant stuff on the internet.

DalekJim January 13 2013 02:42 PM

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If only he'd arrived in time to teach you a lesson about basic grammar and manners :(.

StCoop January 13 2013 02:50 PM

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If you have a look at the new DWM Moffat explains that the GI can travel through time. So he did think about it but quite rightly felt no need to mention it in the episode for the six people who'd get worked up about it.

The Badger January 13 2013 02:55 PM

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As I understand it, the Doctor's old friend Padmasambhava supposedly contacted the Great Intelligence on 'the astral plane'. Perhaps such contact transcends the boundaries of time and space?

We certainly know messages can be sent telepathically through time (The Hand Of Fear, Silence In The Library, The End Of Time Part One). For me, it's not such a leap to accept the Intelligence, banished in 1892, could be contacted by the wandering meditations of a Tibetan Monk in the 17th century.

Gov Kodos January 13 2013 02:57 PM

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A wizard did it.

DalekJim January 13 2013 03:03 PM

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StCoop wrote: (Post 7528363)
If you have a look at the new DWM Moffat explains that the GI can travel through time. So he did think about it but quite rightly felt no need to mention it in the episode for the six people who'd get worked up about it.

Well, my general loathing of Tom Spilsbury has caused a DWM allergy but it's pretty cool he set the record straight after realising the error. I suppose maybe also, the Great Intelligence could view time in a non-linear fashion ala the Prophets in DS9.

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The Badger wrote: (Post 7528381)
As I understand it, the Doctor's old friend Padmasambhava supposedly contacted the Great Intelligence on 'the astral plane'. Perhaps such contact transcends the boundaries of time and space?

This had occurred to me too and is my personal theory to reconcile the contradiction.

Allyn Gibson January 13 2013 03:30 PM

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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7528423)
my general loathing of Tom Spilsbury has caused a DWM allergy

This quote wins the Internet. :)

StCoop January 13 2013 03:42 PM

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Allyn Gibson wrote: (Post 7528465)
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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7528423)
my general loathing of Tom Spilsbury has caused a DWM allergy

This quote wins the Internet. :)

His deluded belief that being Moffat's arse-kisser-in-Chief makes him somehow special always makes me laugh.

Especially when it leads to things like him confirming the GI's appearance in the Xmas Special in advance during an argument on Twitter. Wonder how that one went down with Cardiff...

DalekJim January 13 2013 03:48 PM

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I don't follow him on Twitter. I added Andrew Cartmel on Facebook and that's the extent of my online stalking of Doctor Who famous people. I am told Noel Clarke comes across as a completely unhinged thug on his Twitter though, which sounds amusing.

Allyn Gibson January 13 2013 05:40 PM

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Allyn Gibson wrote: (Post 7528465)
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DalekJim wrote: (Post 7528423)
my general loathing of Tom Spilsbury has caused a DWM allergy

This quote wins the Internet. :)

His deluded belief that being Moffat's arse-kisser-in-Chief makes him somehow special always makes me laugh.

Yes, but as the DWM editor, that's part of his job brief and he's paid to be the arse-kisser-in-chief. What I find amusing that while someone like Ben Cook at least acts like he knows he's a propagandist for the Cardiff regime, Spilsbury pretends that he's an independent actor and his editorial decisions are his and his alone, which isn't true at all. It's the nature of the licensing game; there's nothing that DWM prints that Cardiff hasn't signed off on multiple times. Some things Cardiff will care about less than others (so something like the "Here's what the actors are doing" column will merit a "Whatever" at most), but anything they publish about the new series will have vetted to within an inch of its life.

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StCoop wrote: (Post 7528477)
Especially when it leads to things like him confirming the GI's appearance in the Xmas Special in advance during an argument on Twitter. Wonder how that one went down with Cardiff...

That was not his finest moment. That was a Twitter argument with Blogtor Who, wasn't it?

I don't understand the antipathy in some corners of fandom for Blogtor Who. You can't link to Blogtor Who articles on Gallifrey Base, for example; the software will munge up the link and make it unusable. Maybe it's Blogtor Who's unwillingness to toe the party line? That's one of the striking things about fandom in the past few years, the inability in some quarters to tolerate a "loyal opposition" of criticism done out of love rather than hate.

JoeZhang January 13 2013 06:08 PM

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I don't understand the antipathy in some corners of fandom for Blogtor Who.
Surely that is the corner that has heard of it to start with? I'd never heard of it before you mentioned it in this thread.

Konata Izumi January 13 2013 08:34 PM

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It's not a fuck up if it works within the context of the story and can be fanwanked into continuity that easily and sensibly. It's just plot.

If the time difference was very small, that would be a mistake I guess, cause what would be the sense in that.

Moffat Who should come with a notice "some fanwank required". Which of course means immense amounts...


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