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Captain McBain January 8 2013 01:59 PM

Spock
 
Do you think Spock could mind meld with the Tamarians, or would it just be gobbledegook to him?

:vulcan:

LOKAI of CHERON January 8 2013 03:22 PM

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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

Garrovick January 8 2013 03:33 PM

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If Spock can mind-meld with and understand a Horta which doesn't even use spoken language at all, I think a Tamarian would present no problem.

Sokath, his eyes uncovered!!!

1001001 January 8 2013 03:52 PM

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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7504078)
Do you think Spock could mind meld with the Tamarians, or would it just be gobbledegook to him?

:vulcan:

Shaka, when the walls fell.

R. Star January 8 2013 06:56 PM

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McCoy, his logic failing.

Merry Christmas January 8 2013 07:06 PM

Re: Spock
 
Given that we don't know exactly what goes on inside a Vulcan's head, the thoughts of a Tamarian might make a lot of sense to Spock, more so than a Human's thoughts.


:)

Captain McBain January 8 2013 10:57 PM

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T'Girl wrote: (Post 7505239)
Given that we don't know exactly what goes on inside a Vulcan's head, the thoughts of a Tamarian might make a lot of sense to Spock, more so than a Human's thoughts.


:)

The Tamarian's words made no sense to Data, and he is even more logical than Spock.

R. Star January 8 2013 11:43 PM

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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7506460)
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T'Girl wrote: (Post 7505239)
Given that we don't know exactly what goes on inside a Vulcan's head, the thoughts of a Tamarian might make a lot of sense to Spock, more so than a Human's thoughts.


:)

The Tamarian's words made no sense to Data, and he is even more logical than Spock.

Yeah but one assume mind melds are about thoughts... not words. So the meaning behind those words would be clear, or at least should. Tuvok exchanged violent thoughts on that mental gestapo planet in Voyager via mind meld.

Captain McBain January 8 2013 11:49 PM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 7506643)
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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7506460)
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T'Girl wrote: (Post 7505239)
Given that we don't know exactly what goes on inside a Vulcan's head, the thoughts of a Tamarian might make a lot of sense to Spock, more so than a Human's thoughts.


:)

The Tamarian's words made no sense to Data, and he is even more logical than Spock.

Yeah but one assume mind melds are about thoughts... not words. So the meaning behind those words would be clear, or at least should. Tuvok exchanged violent thoughts on that mental gestapo planet in Voyager via mind meld.

You're assuming that the Tamarians think as we do. What if they think in metaphors?

R. Star January 9 2013 01:38 AM

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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7506676)
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R. Star wrote: (Post 7506643)
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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7506460)

The Tamarian's words made no sense to Data, and he is even more logical than Spock.

Yeah but one assume mind melds are about thoughts... not words. So the meaning behind those words would be clear, or at least should. Tuvok exchanged violent thoughts on that mental gestapo planet in Voyager via mind meld.

You're assuming that the Tamarians think as we do. What if they think in metaphors?

Then the story behind the metaphor comes along with the mind meld....

Sector 7 January 9 2013 05:12 AM

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Garrovick wrote: (Post 7504321)
If Spock can mind-meld with and understand a Horta which doesn't even use spoken language at all, I think a Tamarian would present no problem.

Sokath, his eyes uncovered!!!

The Horta does, however, use written language: "NO KILL I".

nuKirk and Orion chick at StarFleet!!

R. Star January 9 2013 06:04 AM

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Sector 7 wrote: (Post 7508155)
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Garrovick wrote: (Post 7504321)
If Spock can mind-meld with and understand a Horta which doesn't even use spoken language at all, I think a Tamarian would present no problem.

Sokath, his eyes uncovered!!!

The Horta does, however, use written language: "NO KILL I".

nuKirk and Orion chick at StarFleet!!

Kirk, cockblocked under the bed. His eyes peeping.

A'Tun-Te January 9 2013 01:22 PM

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Vulcans see, as per said by R. Star, in thoughts, emotions and understanding while mind-melting.
They see a thought, and all underlaying layers, the behind it, so to speak.
Even the thought of the most insane would suddenly become understandable, since a mind-melt gives the understanding behind that insanity.
A pure Emotion-based race to name something would be clear to a Vulcan.
Of course, how the Vulcan will come out of the mind-melt, that's something entirely different...
In the case of the emotion based race, he might become overly emotional and be 'corrupted' in this sense... (in the Vulcans point of view)

Gary7 January 9 2013 11:45 PM

Re: Spock
 
Just a suggestion... you'd have better thread participation if you had entitled it "Spock mind melding with a Tamarian" or something to that effect. Just "Spock" is extremely ambiguous.

Nevertheless, I think a Vulcan would be able to. The mind melding doesn't require vocal language. The concepts themselves are people, places, events, feelings, thoughts, etc... all possible to relate. It was the language construct and grammar that was the impediment to understanding them that Picard and his crew faced.

Sector 7 January 10 2013 05:54 AM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 7508347)
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Sector 7 wrote: (Post 7508155)
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Garrovick wrote: (Post 7504321)
If Spock can mind-meld with and understand a Horta which doesn't even use spoken language at all, I think a Tamarian would present no problem.

Sokath, his eyes uncovered!!!

The Horta does, however, use written language: "NO KILL I".

nuKirk and Orion chick at StarFleet!!

Kirk, cockblocked under the bed. His eyes peeping.

Kirk, jettisoned at Delta Vega. His arse freezing.


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