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Dale Sams December 31 2012 06:04 PM

I object to the notion that Star Trek collapsed:
 
under the weight of its own continuity. It collapsed because of Berman-Braga fatigue, aided and abetted by

That stupid Enterprise theme song...

...The inability to understand that we want our heroes to kick ass, not *get* their asses kicked.

IMO, it's the lazy (and often mediocre) writer who sees continuity as an impediment rather than a rich field.*

*See the diff between Alan Moore's work in general and John Byrne's Doom Patrol.

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I understand that Enterprise's theme song and other details may appear minor, but to me things like that are very important. It's all a part of the same production team. Just like the pajamas in TMP hurt the look of the film. There's a reason why Voyager-Enterprise and huge portions of TNG look so much alike, while DS9 looks so different.

I can't be the only one who around the second season of Enterprise who just said, "Oh God...just let it die." It had nothing to do with continuity. It's not like the Ferengi are so GD interesting that having to work with their continuity can hurt their appearance. And I thought what they did with the Romulans on Ent. was interesting.

King Daniel Into Darkness December 31 2012 06:27 PM

Re: I object to the notion that Star Trek collapsed:
 
If you think the theme song had anything to do with Enterprise's failure, how do you explain Smallville, with it's equally horrible theme song, going a record-breaking 10 seasons?

Dale Sams December 31 2012 06:30 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 7468933)
If you think the theme song had anything to do with Enterprise's failure, how do you explain Smallville, with it's equally horrible theme song, going a record-breaking 10 seasons?

Illogical Admiral.

tighr December 31 2012 06:55 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 7468933)
If you think the theme song had anything to do with Enterprise's failure, how do you explain Smallville, with it's equally horrible theme song, going a record-breaking 10 seasons?

Hey, I liked "Save Me".

Mach5 December 31 2012 06:58 PM

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tighr wrote: (Post 7469023)
Hey, I liked "Save Me".

+1

I liked ENT theme song too, but I do agree with some of OP's points. The continuity did weigh a fuckton, though. It's just that it could have been managed just fine with some genuine talent, and the B&B's were a decade pass their prime.

ENT had too much of that "been there, done that" feel to it. Honestly, it felt like a prequel to Voyager.

billcosby December 31 2012 07:02 PM

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If shows are measured by how awesome their opening theme song is, Perfect Strangers would be in it's 26th season.
"Standing tall... on the wings of my dreams."

Deckerd December 31 2012 07:02 PM

Re: I object to the notion that Star Trek collapsed:
 
It had one of the longest runs of any themed series ever, if you discount the fact that it had a very long holiday. What is the problem with that? It started with a groundbreaking set of shows in the 60s when I suspect a lot of board members were not even born and then there was a long hiatus until the 80s when the truly epic nature of Trek came into its own. The longitude of its various manifestations is only surpassed by the variety of the characters it generated. ST was never about space; it was a series of one hour dramas about humanity. The setting was just a bonus to make nerds and geeks feel happy about the magic that went on.

The music was always good but frankly if that what makes or breaks the shows for you, you don't get Trek.

Greg Cox December 31 2012 07:05 PM

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HolidayHuxtable wrote: (Post 7469047)
If shows are measured by how awesome their opening theme song is, Perfect Strangers would be in it's 26th season.
"Standing tall... on the wings of my dreams."

And Cleopatra 2525 would still be on the air . . . .

Mach5 December 31 2012 07:07 PM

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Deckerd wrote: (Post 7469050)
The music was always good but frankly if that what makes or breaks the shows for you, you don't get Trek.

Oh God, how much I hated Farscape's Season 1 theme song! It still remains one of the finest syfy shows in existence.

Greg Cox December 31 2012 07:10 PM

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Prancer the Sith wrote: (Post 7469074)
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Deckerd wrote: (Post 7469050)
The music was always good but frankly if that what makes or breaks the shows for you, you don't get Trek.

Oh God, how much I hated Farscape's Season 1 theme song! It still remains of the finest syfy shows in existence.

I didn't mind Farscape's theme music, but, yeah, it literally drove my girlfriend out of the room.

Mach5 December 31 2012 07:13 PM

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Greg Cox wrote: (Post 7469080)
I didn't mind Farscape's theme music, but, yeah, it literally drove my girlfriend out of the room.

You didn't even fast forward it? :rommie:

http://i.imgur.com/6DJwI.png

Dale Sams December 31 2012 07:22 PM

Re: I object to the notion that Star Trek collapsed:
 
Quote:

HolidayHuxtable wrote: (Post 7469047)
If shows are measured by how awesome their opening theme song is, Perfect Strangers would be in it's 26th season.
"Standing tall... on the wings of my dreams."

Look how much milage Greatest American Hero got!

Dale Sams December 31 2012 07:25 PM

Re: I object to the notion that Star Trek collapsed:
 
Quote:

Deckerd wrote: (Post 7469050)
It had one of the longest runs of any themed series ever, if you discount the fact that it had a very long holiday. What is the problem with that? It started with a groundbreaking set of shows in the 60s when I suspect a lot of board members were not even born and then there was a long hiatus until the 80s when the truly epic nature of Trek came into its own. The longitude of its various manifestations is only surpassed by the variety of the characters it generated. ST was never about space; it was a series of one hour dramas about humanity. The setting was just a bonus to make nerds and geeks feel happy about the magic that went on.

The music was always good but frankly if that what makes or breaks the shows for you, you don't get Trek.

Nice speech. It has nothing to do with nothing but it was nice.

Gotta love the internet: where people read the header, then just scan until they see something objectible and hammer home on it....ignoring everything else said.

M'Sharak December 31 2012 07:27 PM

Re: I object to the notion that Star Trek collapsed:
 
Quote:

Dale Sams wrote: (Post 7468867)
under the weight of its own continuity. It collapsed because of Berman-Braga fatigue, aided and abetted by

That stupid Enterprise theme song...

...The inability to understand that we want our heroes to kick ass, not *get* their asses kicked.

IMO, it's the lazy (and often mediocre) writer who sees continuity as an impediment rather than a rich field.*

*See the diff between Alan Moore's work in general and John Byrne's Doom Patrol.

--------------------------------------------------------------

I understand that Enterprise's theme song and other details may appear minor, but to me things like that are very important. It's all a part of the same production team. Just like the pajamas in TMP hurt the look of the film. There's a reason why Voyager-Enterprise and huge portions of TNG look so much alike, while DS9 looks so different.

I can't be the only one who around the second season of Enterprise who just said, "Oh God...just let it die." It had nothing to do with continuity. It's not like the Ferengi are so GD interesting that having to work with their continuity can hurt their appearance. And I thought what they did with the Romulans on Ent. was interesting.

Why is this even here? It's just a bash at a bunch of stuff which has little or nothing to do with Abrams Trek, and should probably have been posted in a different forum. Or better yet, on a personal blog.


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