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YARN December 30 2012 05:28 AM

Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Enterprise was involved in a complicated timeline war from way in the future.

When Nero took the Narada into the past he changed the timeline (e.g., he blew up Vulcan!). This means the future of that timeline was changed, which means the past timeline of Enterprise changed too (because its past was causally enmeshed with a post-TNG future).

Nero changed the future.

Enterprise was causally connected with the future. A huge chunk of the Enterprise narrative depends heavily on the time war (including character arcs, relationships, and the purpose mission of the ship). Enterprise characters were communicating, cooperating, and conflicting with factions from the future.

Nero, by necessity, changed any and all aspects of the Enterprise story that depended on future events that Nero changed.

And where is the "temporal police" in all this?

Nerys Myk December 30 2012 05:32 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Donut shop.

Dukhat December 30 2012 07:07 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Apparently the "Temporal Police" aren't all that good at their job. Throughout all the multiple timeline infractions in 40+ years of Trek, they were only seen twice, and in both instances it turned out that they were in fact the cause of the problems they were trying to fix.

Borgminister December 30 2012 08:41 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Budget crunch.

BeatleJWOL December 30 2012 10:28 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Butterfly effect.

King Daniel Into Darkness December 30 2012 10:47 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Quote:

YARN wrote: (Post 7463128)
Enterprise was involved in a complicated timeline war from way in the future.

When Nero took the Narada into the past he changed the timeline (e.g., he blew up Vulcan!). This means the future of that timeline was changed, which means the past timeline of Enterprise changed too (because its past was causally enmeshed with a post-TNG future).

Nero changed the future.

Enterprise was causally connected with the future. A huge chunk of the Enterprise narrative depends heavily on the time war (including character arcs, relationships, and the purpose mission of the ship). Enterprise characters were communicating, cooperating, and conflicting with factions from the future.

Nero, by necessity, changed any and all aspects of the Enterprise story that depended on future events that Nero changed.

And where is the "temporal police" in all this?

Word of God (Bob Orci over at Trekmovie.com) says it's a branching timeline beginning in 2233, that it's one shared history up until that point. And since it's a shared past, it would include all the time travels up and down from the prime-branch (and other branches) of the future and thus include the TCW, First Contact, Time's Arrow etc.

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This is the Holy Bible of Star Trek time travel. It takes dozens of seemingly incompatible time travel Treks over 45 years and makes it seem as if they all function as part of a single system with a consistent set of rules. It explains a lot of the TCW, exposes Future Guy, gives us a look at the DTI and a peek at the uptime agencies seen in Voyager and Enterprise and how they all interact. Plus it's an excellent story in it's own right. Highly recommended.

Lance December 30 2012 11:15 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
My first impression in 2009 was that, yes, the one element of Star Trek lore that does remain fully intact into the Nu-Trek universe was Enterprise. Both parallels of Star Trek share Jonathan Archer and the NX-01 in their collective histories.

The Mirrorball Man December 30 2012 11:34 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
New Trek doesn't really exclude or invalidate anything.

SonicRanger December 30 2012 11:54 AM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
I've postulated before that plenty of debris all got sucked into the black hole/wormhole with Spock and Nero, whose ships emerged in different times (and places?) according to variables like their sizes and speeds (variables that Nero could be able to calculate and use to identify when and where Spock would emerge). I figure that black hole scattered debris (and perhaps energy) throughout the time, including a few rocks and cosmic rays that could have set the nuTrek universe on a slightly different path long before 2233.

BillJ December 30 2012 02:04 PM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Quote:

The Mirrorball Man wrote: (Post 7463704)
New Trek doesn't really exclude or invalidate anything.

Exactly. In order for the new universe to exist, everything that happened in the Prime timeline still had to happen or else Spock and Nero wouldn't have existed to create the new timeline to begin with.

Shikarnov December 30 2012 02:15 PM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Quote:

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 7463653)
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/a...lock_cover.jpg
This is the Holy Bible of Star Trek time travel. It takes dozens of seemingly incompatible time travel Treks over 45 years and makes it seem as if they all function as part of a single system with a consistent set of rules. It explains a lot of the TCW, exposes Future Guy, gives us a look at the DTI and a peek at the uptime agencies seen in Voyager and Enterprise and how they all interact. Plus it's an excellent story in it's own right. Highly recommended.

I second this recommendation. The DTI books are some of the very best of the post-Nemesis novels. Thank goodness for David Mack with his excellent Cold Equations series, otherwise I'd be going out of my mind waiting for the next DTI installment (which is coming out when, exactly? Does anybody know?).

Balrog December 30 2012 02:56 PM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
How about this:

The timeline was already corrupted because of the Borg's attempt to assimilate earth in the past. As a result, we have (or had) this alternate timeline through ENT, including the TCW, future guy, the early introduction of the Borg, the Ferengi and the Romulans, and the accidental destruction of Romulus that caused the currant further divergence of the timeline.

In other words, this alternate timeline exists because of the events set in motion starting with First Contact and it's all Berman and Braga's fault.

Lance December 30 2012 03:06 PM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
^ My recollection is that Berman/Braga have even acknowledged NX-01's existence as being because of a timeline change following First Contact. The mention of Admiral Archer in the 2009 film confirms that it takes place after NX-01.

Admiral Buzzkill December 30 2012 03:12 PM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
No, Enterprise happened.

King Daniel Into Darkness December 30 2012 03:13 PM

Re: Does nu-Trek exclude Enterprise too?
 
Yeah, but "In a Mirror, Darkly" and "These are the Voyages" corfirms Star Trek: Enterprise's place in Trek Prime's history books, too. They cannot be ignored.


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