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Lighthammer December 29 2012 02:33 AM

What is the Q's weakeness?
 
I'm unsure where the best forum to post this in since it covers a few series, but I figured I'd take a stab here.

In the Voyager episode, "Deathwish", Quinn (formally Q) tells Tuvok that the Q have weaknesses and only appear to be omnipotent because they possess technology that greatly surpasses the technology of the Federation in the 24th century.

It got me wondering: What is the true face of the Q? What makes them so powerful.

I got to thinking that if Qs are so potentially weak, it got me wondering if maybe perhaps their true form was something similar to the species we encountered in the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow". To me it would make sense if the Q have either become disembodied or choose to keep their real bodies in such a place (known to us perhaps as the Q continuum) while tapping into a source that allows them to navigate the world exclusively as the essence of their mind and that most of their tricks are some sort of super advanced version of holograms.

I find myself wondering if this explanation might explain a lot.

I don't think anything in this potential explanation is invalidated by any material. If anything, I think "Q&A" still seems to support it.

Thoughts?

Mutai Sho-Rin December 29 2012 04:01 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
This is more appropriate for General Trek since it covers multiple series so I'll move it there but keep a link here.

Nerys Myk December 29 2012 04:01 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
A punch in the nose.

Mr Silver December 29 2012 04:07 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Quote:

Santa Kang wrote: (Post 7458265)
A punch in the nose.

Or arthritis.

Trekky0623 December 29 2012 04:17 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
I don't think it's any technology, and he doesn't specifically say so in the episode:

Quote:

But you mustn't think of us as omnipotent. No matter, what the Continuum would like you to believe. You and your ship seem incredibly powerful to life-forms without your technical expertise. It's no different with us. We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not.
The use of technology in the analogy may just be coincidence, and the Q's incredible power makes them seem omnipotent, but they aren't omnipotent have their weaknesses all the same.

The Q to me are like humanity in Isaac Asimov's story The Last Question. The Q probably have a history similar to humanity, but grow beyond that to become demigods. Whatever weaknesses the Q have, they surely are irrelevant to us anyway, as such a weakness would be on par with the destruction of the Universe or something like that.

GalaxyX December 29 2012 04:21 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Quote:

Trekky0623 wrote: (Post 7458352)
I don't think it's any technology, and he doesn't specifically say so in the episode:

Quote:

But you mustn't think of us as omnipotent. No matter, what the Continuum would like you to believe. You and your ship seem incredibly powerful to life-forms without your technical expertise. It's no different with us. We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not.
The use of technology in the analogy may just be coincidence, and the Q's incredible power makes them seem omnipotent, but they aren't omnipotent have their weaknesses all the same.

The Q to me are like humanity in Isaac Asimov's story The Last Question. The Q probably have a history similar to humanity, but grow beyond that to become demigods. Whatever weaknesses the Q have, they surely are irrelevant to us anyway, as such a weakness would be on par with the destruction of the Universe or something like that.

I have to agree.

It seems that the whole point was that, even though the Q may have weaknesses, they are so far ahead of us, that those weaknesses might as well be impenetrable barriers for human beings.

Kind of like Federation Starships having the "weakness" of torpedoes being able to pass thru the shield frequency if you have it. That don't matter a damn if all you have is bows and arrows to shoot at it.

C.E. Evans December 29 2012 04:26 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
I think boredom is their one true weakness.

Lighthammer December 29 2012 08:17 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Although I think John DeLancey's Q would have us believe the Q have always been. I wonder if his character being called the "God of Lies" in Q-Less doesn't give us more insight to Quinn's claim.

Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't break the trek universe for me if John DeLancey's Q is more or less right, but I tend to wonder if there's not more to their story then just a being with omnipotent power.

Arpy December 29 2012 09:56 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Their weakness is that they're not gods? They've evolved, physically or technologically, to the point of omnipotence. They've seen and built and done it all. But they can't do more than that. Their weakness is a lack of creativity beyond being creative enough to do everything? ...Does that make a lick of sense or is it verbal sophistry?

We shouldn't underestimate their abilities though. Their day at work could creating an entire multiverse and toying with every being and particle in it. Whatever their weaknesses, they must be to us as we are to bacteria or atoms or something.

Bry_Sinclair December 29 2012 10:27 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Guinan.

Captain Rob December 29 2012 10:35 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Guinan with a fork.

King Daniel Into Darkness December 29 2012 11:56 AM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Read Kirsten Beyer's fantastic Voyager novels. The answer is Captain Afsarah Eden:cool:

Bry_Sinclair December 29 2012 12:56 PM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Quote:

Captain Rob wrote: (Post 7459306)
Guinan with a fork.

We're all screwed then! :lol:

The Wormhole December 29 2012 01:51 PM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Quote:

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 7459438)
Read Kirsten Beyer's fantastic Voyager novels. The answer is Captain Afsarah Eden:cool:

But also

lurok December 29 2012 02:13 PM

Re: What is the Q's weakeness?
 
Janeway.


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