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Jackson_Roykirk December 28 2012 07:46 PM

"There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Most of us have heard these words in the trailer spoken by Pike, presumably to Kirk:
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"There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
As has already been speculated by others, this line of dialogue may be a launching point of sorts for Kirk's personal growth and journey through this film -- his attempt to gain the humility Pike says Kirk is lacking.

Also, as others have speculated, I think that Pike may die in this film, and those may be among the last words that Pike speaks to Kirk. If that is so, Kirk may have even a greater reason to take Pike's words to heart (to honor Pike in death, so-to-speak).



...But to further expand on this idea:

Pike goes on to say:
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"You think you can't make mistakes, but there's going to come a moment when you realize you're wrong about that. And you're going to get yourself and everyone under your command killed."
Does anyone think that if Pike does die, that perhaps Kirk did something (out out hubris/cockiness/lack of humility) that he feels may have LEAD TO Pike's death? I'm not saying Kirk's actions would necessarily be directly responsible for Pike's death, but maybe Kirk feels he may have done something out of arrogance that eventually lead to Pike's death...
...something that Kirk feels if he did differently (i.e., if he had acted with greater humility and less cockiness), then Pike possibly would not have gotten killed.

In that respect, if Pike dies in this film, maybe his death will become a huge part of Kirk's personal journey and personal growth in this film.

SalvorHardin December 28 2012 07:55 PM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
In the article from the new Empire magazine, Kirk's mission to capture Harrison is described as an attempt for Kirk to rectify his mistake.
So I suppose if Pike does die, Kirk might be somehow indirectly responsible for it.

Enterprise is Great December 28 2012 11:59 PM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Sounds like it could go that way but I'm hoping not since Bruce Greenwood is so awesome as Pike. In fact a Greenwood/Pike led Star Trek tv series would be nice.

Gojira December 29 2012 03:21 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Didn't Greenwood also sign a contract for 3 films?

Admiral Buzzkill December 29 2012 04:24 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Guinness made it through all three films though he died in the first. ;)

Greg Cox December 29 2012 04:56 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
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My Name Is Legion wrote: (Post 7458388)
Guinness made it through all three films though he died in the first. ;)

Bill Nighy was in the first three Underworld films, although he was decapitated in the first one . . . .

Locutus of Bored December 29 2012 08:21 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Keanu Reeves was in all three Matrix films, even though he fell into a coma during the first one and never woke up again. No one could tell the difference.

Lord Garth, FOI December 29 2012 10:11 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
I want to see him drooling in a wheelchair beeping away

The Keeper December 29 2012 09:50 PM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Pike dying or becoming wheelchair bound because of Kirks recklessness would be as much a punch in his gut as ours.



Btw, the quote in this threads title and included by the OP should prove to scorners they are trying to make this Trek have substantive quality's. It speaks volumes to me of an intended, deliberate evolution.

For JJTrek mockers to say it's simply all sparkle and 'splosions is akin to the same mistakes nontrekkers/bashers have always made; not really paying close enough attention to what they are witnessing.

Jackson_Roykirk December 30 2012 06:09 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Quote:

Gojira wrote: (Post 7458163)
Didn't Greenwood also sign a contract for 3 films?

"Beep Beep"
(Translation: Double yes).

Set Harth December 30 2012 06:17 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
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HoHoHocutus wrote: (Post 7459075)
Keanu Reeves was in all three Matrix films, even though he fell into a coma during the first one and never woke up again. No one could tell the difference.

Marlon Brando was in Superman Returns, even though he was dead.

Dale Sams January 2 2013 06:16 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
Without the events of Conscience of the King or Obsession, it makes sense Pine would be arrogant.

Nerys Myk January 2 2013 06:21 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
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Dale Sams wrote: (Post 7476244)
Without the events of Conscience of the King or Obsession, it makes sense Pine would be arrogant.

Pine? I think the character's name is "Kirk".

Cyrus January 3 2013 12:40 AM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
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Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 7476259)
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Dale Sams wrote: (Post 7476244)
Without the events of Conscience of the King or Obsession, it makes sense Pine would be arrogant.

Pine? I think the character's name is "Kirk".

In order to honor Pike, Kirk changes his name from Kirk to Pike but misspells it.

JeffreyAbrams January 3 2013 02:04 PM

Re: "There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"
 
It's funny. Everyone I know criticized the first one because Kirk got promoted way too quickly to Captain, and NOW the characters realize in the second one that he got promoted way too quickly to Captain.





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