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JirinPanthosa December 28 2012 05:17 AM

Favorite blatant contradictions
 
First of all, Pathfinder. After Message In A Bottle: Night, Timeless, Hope and Fear, they were pretty much 20,000 ly from where they were at the time, and there is no way they could have predicted where they were by assuming an 'average speed of warp 6.2'.

Also they established there was a betazoid other than Suter on the ship in Counterpoint then in Dragon's Teeth: 'What I wouldn't give to have a betazoid on the ship'.

I'm all for episodic scifi, but you'd think in the entire writing offices they had at least one white board.

Edit: Also from Pathfinder.

Janeway "Anyone know this Barcalay?"
Doctor "Yes, he assisted Dr Zimmerman when he was designing me, and one of the times I went crazy a hologram of him tried to convince me I was human. Erm, I mean...no."

Silvercrest December 28 2012 05:44 AM

Re: Favorite blatant contradictions
 
I think my absolute favorite was Harry Kim never getting promoted (even though everyone around him was) but somehow retaining a critical position on the bridge and the command staff. If he's not worthy of promotion, then bring in someone who is.

I would have voted for Janeway supposedly fiddling with her combadge, but I couldn't have said if that was true or not.

Runners-up: these would actually rate higher than the Harry thing except they're not exactly contradictions, just oversights.

First, B'Elanna reminding Tom that he was expelled from Starfleet Academy even though he wasn't. Look, writers, if you're going to keep confusing him with Nick Locarno then don't pretend he's a different guy. Just pay the royalties and move on. It'll be easier on everyone.

Second, making friends with Captain Korok and his transwarp-capable Borg Sphere and never thinking to ask if he could take them home.

Third, Harry blathering about how witty and charming Irina is even though we never see her change expression. The girl must go through a total metamorphosis when she's off camera.

BruntFCA December 28 2012 05:57 AM

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My favorite is in Unforgettable when Janeway is presented with the same exact situation twice and makes two different decisions, the fact that the episode doesn't even realize it makes it all the funnier.

Lynx December 28 2012 10:42 AM

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My favorite is in "Time And Again" when The Doctor examine Kes after her vision of the destroyed planet seem unaware of the facts that:

1. Kes and Neelix arrived to the ship in "Caretaker" and joined the crew shortly after.

2. Chakotay and the other Maquis came on board and joined the ship at the same time.

I mean, according to the stardates, there are two months between the events in "Caretaker" and the events in "Time And Again". The Doctor did examine Kes, Chakotay and Torres in "Caretaker" and still he don't seem to remember that they had joined the crew. Now that must have been a serious malfunction in his program.

As for stardates, we also have the stardates in the episodes "Lifesigns" and "Investigations" which are totally wrong. According to those, the events in "Investigations" took place before the events in "Lifesigns" which is impossible.

And we also have "Threshold" which is a whole long contradiction. Paris breaks the threshold for warp speed, almost dies, turns into a lizard, abducts Janeway who is also turned into a lizard and they have lizard “children” and no one talks about it or jokes about it later! It's totally forgotten in later episodes.

teacake December 28 2012 11:55 AM

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Lynx wrote: (Post 7454785)

And we also have "Threshold" which is a whole long contradiction. Paris breaks the threshold for warp speed, almost dies, turns into a lizard, abducts Janeway who is also turned into a lizard and they have lizard “children” and no one talks about it or jokes about it later! It's totally forgotten in later episodes.

The crew is terrified to ever mention it again. Remember how Hogan was eaten? He had been reported by Janeway's spies because he made a little jest on that planet about eating lizard eggs to survive. Something about "poached progeny".

Neelix did her bidding and sent him down the tunnel.

R. Star December 28 2012 12:50 PM

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BruntFCA wrote: (Post 7454371)
My favorite is in Unforgettable when Janeway is presented with the same exact situation twice and makes two different decisions, the fact that the episode doesn't even realize it makes it all the funnier.

This pretty much sums up Captain Janeway in a nutshell. :p

F. King Daniel December 28 2012 05:16 PM

Re: Favorite blatant contradictions
 
Episode #5 "The Cloud"

CHAKOTAY: We have a compliment of 38 photon torpedoes, captain.

JANEWAY: And no way to replace them after they're gone!

They fire off 93+ photon torpedoes over the seven seasons...

Also the TARDIS-like shuttlebay, which usually barely fits the Delta Flyer yet somehow fits not only the Flyer, but a much wider ship too in a suddenly far larger bay, in "Drive"

See the videos in my sig for a load more, covering all six series and 11 movies!

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JarodRussell December 28 2012 05:17 PM

Re: Favorite blatant contradictions
 
In the pilot, they state they need 70 years to get back home. Then, after only 7 years, they are already home. I felt cheated.

Danny99 December 28 2012 05:29 PM

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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 7455601)
In the pilot, they state they need 70 years to get back home. Then, after only 7 years, they are already home. I felt cheated.

I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

The Mirrorball Man December 28 2012 05:56 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 7455592)
See the videos in my sig for a load more, covering all six series and 11 movies!

Did you make that? It was extremely entertaining.

F. King Daniel December 28 2012 06:37 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 7455592)
See the videos in my sig for a load more, covering all six series and 11 movies!

Did you make that? It was extremely entertaining.

I did, and thank you!:)

R. Star December 28 2012 07:28 PM

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Danny99 wrote: (Post 7455652)
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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 7455601)
In the pilot, they state they need 70 years to get back home. Then, after only 7 years, they are already home. I felt cheated.

I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

Yeah, that would require thinking outside of the box, which Voyager's writers weren't very adept at. :p

at Quark's December 28 2012 10:12 PM

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Danny99 wrote: (Post 7455652)
I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

That would have been a daring end. Still, I would have been disappointed emotionally. ('did I just watch this show for 7 years, only to see them not coming home ? ')

JarodRussell December 28 2012 10:24 PM

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Star Grinch wrote: (Post 7455949)
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Danny99 wrote: (Post 7455652)
I actually would have been shocked if they didn't get home in the finale.

That would have been a daring end.

Like Stargate Universe? Very daring to have the show just cancelled before you can them have returning home.

Lynx December 28 2012 10:39 PM

Re: Favorite blatant contradictions
 
^^
There is a difference.

Voyager was at least entertaining, even when the episodes were bad. Stargate Universe was only dull and boring.


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