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DostoyevskyClone December 18 2012 06:47 AM

Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
Picard says something like, 'I don't know how you made it onto the Enterprise...' which got me thinking: who had the final say in her getting the Enterprise assignment? Obviously it wasn't Picard. Does Riker get to approve most of the transfers, etc? How does this process work exactly? Does a division head make a submission and Riker (or other senior officer) gets final approval?

Takeru December 18 2012 07:05 AM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
He knew, he wanted her on the ship.

DostoyevskyClone December 18 2012 07:31 AM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
Yeah, stupid question. I forgot about what he said later. I saw a clip on YouTube that only had the quote I posted. Thanks.

Takeru December 18 2012 07:55 AM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
It wasn't a stupid question, no one can remember every detail of every episode all the time.:)

Tiberius December 18 2012 10:47 AM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
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Takeru wrote: (Post 7414261)
It wasn't a stupid question, no one can remember every detail of every episode all the time.:)

I can! :p

Mojochi December 18 2012 11:26 AM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
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Takeru wrote: (Post 7414261)
It wasn't a stupid question, no one can remember every detail of every episode all the time.:)

yeah, you'd be surprised :lol:

Melakon December 18 2012 12:43 PM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
My memory for Star Trek trivia was much better when there were only 3 years of episodes and 2 pilots.

Trekker4747 December 18 2012 04:51 PM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
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Takeru wrote: (Post 7414141)
He knew, he wanted her on the ship.

Furthermore, he mislead her as part of the overall test of her character for the mission.

The use of her in that episode was very, very well done. Lower Decks is one of TNG's better episodes. (Though one wonders how she graduated and got a commission on the Enterprise before Wesley did. ;))

trekker670 December 18 2012 05:21 PM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
I believe Riker (and Troi, for whatever reason) often oversaw the actual crew as seen by the crew evaluations and such that are seen throughout the series, which Picard isn't involved in. I would imagine this is relatively consistent with how it would operate in the real world as well.

Finn December 18 2012 05:21 PM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
^I assumed they were different years.

Trekker4747 December 18 2012 06:16 PM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
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Finngle Bells wrote: (Post 7415713)
^I assumed they were different years.

IIRC they were the same year and both held back a year following the incident in "The First Duty."

Borjis December 20 2012 12:09 AM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
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Trekker4747 wrote: (Post 7415905)
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Finngle Bells wrote: (Post 7415713)
^I assumed they were different years.

IIRC they were the same year and both held back a year following the incident in "The First Duty."

another gem of an episode and one of my all time favorites.

J. Allen December 20 2012 12:30 AM

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Melakon wrote: (Post 7414792)
My memory for Star Trek trivia was much better when there were only 3 years of episodes and 2 pilots.

Yeah, I'm good from TOS all the way up until the end of DS9, and then my knowledge goes all "bits and piecey" on me. :lol:

Gary Mitchell December 20 2012 06:36 PM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
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Trekker4747 wrote: (Post 7415620)
(Though one wonders how she graduated and got a commission on the Enterprise before Wesley did. ;))

She was less annoying than Wes.

Unicron December 20 2012 10:35 PM

Re: Why didn't Picard know Sito Jaxa ['Lower Decks'] was on his ship?
 
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Trekker4747 wrote: (Post 7415620)

The use of her in that episode was very, very well done. Lower Decks is one of TNG's better episodes. (Though one wonders how she graduated and got a commission on the Enterprise before Wesley did. ;))

I've always kind of felt the opposite myself. The first part of Sito's story, about her finding redemption, is indeed very good (especially since she's one of the only two LD crewmembers who will ultimately matter - Ogawa being the other :D). But I think the way the mission was handled and that she was apparently killed was poorly done, because it pretty much ruined the development they had going IMO. One could always argue that it proved she had what it took to be a good officer, but I don't see why that would necessitate her sacrifice.

I also found it puzzling that Picard would mention her death to the crew when the mission was classified and presumably would have had strong repercussions for the politics between the Federation and the Cardassians. If she'd survived, it's likely that neither she nor the senior staff would have been able to give a lot of details, so why would they toss the secrecy away when it seemed Sito had been lost? Many real clandestine missions don't work that way.


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