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Dream December 17 2012 03:17 PM

Star Trek: The Complete Unauthorized History
 
http://www.trektoday.com/content/201...y-book-review/

T'Bonz has reviewed the latest Trek behind the scenes book. Not that I don't trust her, but I was wondering what other people that have gotten the book think about it?

How much does it go into the detail about all the behind the scenes stuff from the shows/movies?

Therin of Andor December 17 2012 03:42 PM

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Dream wrote: (Post 7410013)
How much does it go into the detail about all the behind the scenes stuff from the shows/movies?

It is a gigantic 256 pages and is filled with many rare photos, including five of mine. I think Robert Greenberger managed to draw out lots of new acecdotes and information. There are numerous sidebar pieces from fans and people connected to the show. It's heavier on TOS/TAS and the TOS movies, with briefer history of TNG and the more recent series.

http://therinofandor.blogspot.com.au...d-history.html

T'Bonz December 18 2012 04:30 AM

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There were plenty of stories I hadn't heard before.

It's a real delight for TOS/TNG fans. The other series - not as much. My beloved DS9 rated less pages than Voyager if memory serves and that ain't right! :lol:

Therin of Andor December 18 2012 10:54 AM

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T'Grinch wrote: (Post 7413763)
There were plenty of stories I hadn't heard before.

It's a real delight for TOS/TNG fans. The other series - not as much. My beloved DS9 rated less pages than Voyager if memory serves and that ain't right! :lol:

Bob and Scott are aware that we'd love a sequel. It has to sell well first, of course. I bought two copies.

I sent in over 75 photos, and most of them to totally new to them, and yet only five made it into the book. If other contributors responded with similar enthusiasm, imagine how many more rare and unseen pics and fan anecdotes are out there, waiting to be revealed. But the first book has to sell well first.

Ronald Held December 18 2012 10:06 PM

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Is it worth purchasing?

Therin of Andor December 19 2012 10:22 AM

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Ronald Held wrote: (Post 7416904)
Is it worth purchasing?

Well, that's totally up to you, we having no idea what kinds of Trek books you like to own and read.

As I said, I bought two, and have waved them under the noses of many Trek friends.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8012/7...488e0479de.jpg
TNG 25th anniversary by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

My one-off Lana Pennington (NZ namesake of DS9's Pennington School) artwork sweater is featured in the book.

nickyboy December 19 2012 11:57 AM

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I took that picture!

The top is awesome

Tosk December 19 2012 12:12 PM

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I thought it was gonna be one of those books where I'd seen all the pics before and heard all the stories...but I ended up really glad I bought it. A welcome addition to the collection.

Therin of Andor December 19 2012 12:12 PM

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nickyboy wrote: (Post 7419832)
I took that picture!

The pic that made it into the book doesn't have my 2012 body attempting to squeeze into a 1988 sweater. Just the sweater lying on my back porch.

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The top is awesome
Agreed. Lana drew the art for a NZ fanzine and a Sydney fan, who screen printed stuff as a hobby, added the DATADATADATADATA background, using the logo of our newsletter (the Aussie fan club, Astrex, had a newsletter called "Data" in the mid 70s!). Mike printed a short run of white T-shirts with this design, a few white sweaters for Lana and her friends and - just for me - a sweater in exclusive TNG Operations gold!

Christopher December 19 2012 02:35 PM

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Of course, the uninitiated would look at that t-shirt and ask, "Why does it say 'Tada, tada, tada?"

Therin of Andor December 19 2012 02:47 PM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 7420144)
Of course, the uninitiated would look at that t-shirt and ask, "Why does it say 'Tada, tada, tada?"

Other combinations possible, depending on how open the jacket is.

Kamdan December 23 2012 08:01 PM

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I was hoping this book would be more like The Secret History of Star Wars.

toughlittleship December 23 2012 08:28 PM

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Not enough DS9 content for me to pick it up.

donners22 December 8 2013 03:05 AM

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I belatedly read this thanks to my local library (rather surprised they got it; they've cleared out their Trek fiction in the last year or so).

It has some great photos (Yoko Ono on a transporter pad and the crew of the Endeavour space shuttle in TOS movie uniforms, for instance) and a few interesting anecdotes, but the rest didn't really offer anything new or insightful.

I accept that is probably inevitable from the nature of the book, covering the whole history of Trek. That incorporates specific topics which have been the subject of their own focused and detailed books, and it could never come close to that detail.

Maybe it's designed more for people who haven't read those; since I have, it did little for me.

I also found the constant jabs at Roddenberry to be tiresome. Almost every mention of his name seemed to be associated with a negative twist. There's plenty of criticisms which can be made of him, and it's been done better elsewhere. This just became monotonous, and even quite gratuitous - several mentions of his affairs, for instance. It's more jarring given that there's no mention of Leonard Nimoy's alcoholism, the spite between Mulgrew and Ryan or countless other off-screen issues, nor are there references to other off-screen relationships (I don't think the marriage between Visitor and Siddig even rates a mention).

Not sure whether there was a definite intention to try to "dispel the Roddenberry myth" (as noted, done several times before), or if it was to spice up the unauthorised nature of the book, but it was utterly unedifying and distracting to have so much space spent on it given how shallow the coverage was generally.

Therin of Andor December 8 2013 03:38 AM

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donners22 wrote: (Post 8987644)
but the rest didn't really offer anything new or insightful.

Well, I consider myself a well-informed Trek fan and I found plenty of gems I didn't know before. Also, as a contributor of 95 amazing images, only five of which actually made the final cut, my mind boggles as to just how big this volume could have been, had Robert Greenberger been able to use everything, if the other pic- and sidebar-contributors sent in as much as I did. And there was also "no room" for the "Star Trek Down Under" sidebar I'd proposed for the volume, nor the meaty captions I was encouraged to send with each image.

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Maybe it's designed more for people who haven't read those
Who else could such a book be aimed at? The completists already know almost everything. I think Bob did a grand job at freshening up stuff many of us knew, and finding plenty of new aspects to talk about.

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I also found the constant jabs at Roddenberry to be tiresome.
I don't recall any. Examples? Are they really jibes, or the exhaustive, gritty honesty you seem to be wanting?

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Almost every mention of his name seemed to be associated with a negative twist.
Perhaps you were reading stuff into the text?

(I can imagine reader complaints if it were too sanitized, too.)

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It's more jarring given that there's no mention of Leonard Nimoy's alcoholism, the spite between Mulgrew and Ryan or countless other off-screen issues, nor are there references to other off-screen relationships (I don't think the marriage between Visitor and Siddig even rates a mention).
So what parts of the book would you remove to put that information in, especially since you already knew that goss anyway?

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spice up the unauthorised nature of the book...
Because such books without "spice" don't sell well?

But you read a free copy at the local library, so I guess you got your money's worth! :techman:


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