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Captain McBain December 17 2012 06:35 AM

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In Encounter at Farpoint, when Q is first appearing to the crew in various outfits, Picard states that the military uniform Q shows up in is a 'costume.'

I don't understand Picard's reasoning for this. Surely he has some respect for ancient civilizations. To just put down a military uniform like that seems very disrespectful and totally out of character for Picard.

sadsquid December 17 2012 07:44 AM

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I think it was because Q was the one wearing it. Q did nothing to earn that uniform, had absolutely nothing to do with it, so he's just wearing it like a 'costume'.

Captain McBain December 18 2012 01:54 AM

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No, Picard stated that it was the humans who were wearing 'costumes.'

R. Star December 18 2012 01:58 AM

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Well Roddenberryesque Trek did have the 24th century humans all but glowing in moral superiority and poorly veiled condescension.

Tiberius December 18 2012 10:52 AM

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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7409071)
In Encounter at Farpoint, when Q is first appearing to the crew in various outfits, Picard states that the military uniform Q shows up in is a 'costume.'

I don't understand Picard's reasoning for this. Surely he has some respect for ancient civilizations. To just put down a military uniform like that seems very disrespectful and totally out of character for Picard.

Well, it all depends.

If that particular military force was nothing but the personal police of a brutal dictator who used it only to protect his own power, I'd feel it was justified calling it a costume. Considering that members of this military had no problems executing their own and were controlled with drugs, I doubt it was a well disciplined force meant to protect a civilian populace.

jimbotron December 18 2012 06:25 PM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 7414567)
Well, it all depends.

If that particular military force was nothing but the personal police of a brutal dictator who used it only to protect his own power, I'd feel it was justified calling it a costume. Considering that members of this military had no problems executing their own and were controlled with drugs, I doubt it was a well disciplined force meant to protect a civilian populace.

I can't recall exactly which uniform Q was wearing when Picard said that, but I think it was the US or French uniform - not quite appropriate to call it a "costume", unlike the fictional 21st century soldier. Also an odd choice since Roddenberry had a military background. Was he ashamed of his wartime experience? Anytime the notion of military popped up in Trek, he got angry (Star Trek VI, in particular). Yet Starfleet mirrors the US Navy, but Roddenberry always said it was a peaceful organization. Eh, too much to wrap my head around. I prefer post-Roddenberry Trek anyway (ST 2-6, post S2 TNG, DS9). It dispenses with the "Mary Sue" humanity.

Mott the barber December 18 2012 06:33 PM

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It was also the pilot and god knows there's lots of things we can give a "pass" to from that ep.

Santa Kang December 18 2012 07:59 PM

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Probably just sloppy writing. So folks think costume and uniform are the same thing.

sonak December 18 2012 08:07 PM

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Star Grinch wrote: (Post 7413340)
Well Roddenberryesque Trek did have the 24th century humans all but glowing in moral superiority and poorly veiled condescension.


yeah, I think this is pretty much the explanation for this scene. It's early TNG, and Picard is showing what a "superior 24th century Human" he is.

indolover December 19 2012 12:14 AM

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Looked like a WWII general's uniform to me. I agree it seems odd, as Picard is the history/anthropology buff.

that said, I think the pilot's theme (but not plot) was pretentious. Why would some omnipotent choose humans to be their rivals and successors? I think this reeked of the Great Bird.

Santa Kang December 19 2012 01:39 AM

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indolover wrote: (Post 7417699)
Looked like a WWII general's uniform to me. I agree it seems odd, as Picard is the history/anthropology buff.

that said, I think the pilot's theme (but not plot) was pretentious. Why would some omnipotent choose humans to be their rivals and successors? I think this reeked of the Great Bird.

It kind of flies in the face of the ideals behind the Federation and gives credence to the "Homo Sapiens Only Club" concept.

Captain McBain December 20 2012 02:24 AM

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In "The Royale," Picard and company seem to show respect for NASA and the dead officer which the away team came upon.

Salinga December 24 2012 01:25 AM

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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7409071)
In Encounter at Farpoint, when Q is first appearing to the crew in various outfits, Picard states that the military uniform Q shows up in is a 'costume.' I don't understand Picard's reasoning for this.

Well, because the uniforms showed off all the colorfull decorations for the person inside it. Starfleet uniforms dont do that anymore: They are plain, only show the rank and the function, but no decorations; they dont serve the ego of the officer, their purpose is not to impress.

Dream December 24 2012 02:02 AM

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Santa Kang wrote: (Post 7418251)
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indolover wrote: (Post 7417699)
Looked like a WWII general's uniform to me. I agree it seems odd, as Picard is the history/anthropology buff.

that said, I think the pilot's theme (but not plot) was pretentious. Why would some omnipotent choose humans to be their rivals and successors? I think this reeked of the Great Bird.

It kind of flies in the face of the ideals behind the Federation and gives credence to the "Homo Sapiens Only Club" concept.

Well, the Q only put humanity and not the Federation on trial. Nice that we were worthy of their attention.

Ugly Sweater December 24 2012 02:23 AM

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Captain McBain wrote: (Post 7423810)
In "The Royale," Picard and company seem to show respect for NASA and the dead officer which the away team came upon.

Well, the astronaut was an explorer. From the 24c perspective military men were people, as Q nicely put it, "squabbled over the resources of your world or over tribal god-images." In a peaceful time where humans aren't so violent, yeah, they may not look too kindly on military men who fought in wars.


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