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RAMA December 12 2012 12:47 AM

Information age to "Hybrid Age"
 
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we are on the verge of a rapid transition into a period that will see many different scientific disciplines such as biomechantronics and synthetic neurobiology merge with each other. The call this the “Hybrid Age.” Humans are now "a template for technology," Parag Khanna tells Big Think, "both the physical incorporation or biological, but also the psychological."
http://bigthink.com/think-tank/welco...e-hybrid-age-2

sojourner December 12 2012 03:38 AM

Re: Information age to "Hybrid Age"
 
You get paid to post all these link threads, don't you?

Crazy Eddie December 12 2012 06:43 AM

Re: Information age to "Hybrid Age"
 
Because an author using his own website to pitch a book that he wrote himself is totally relevant to science and technology.

Spam post is spam.

Talosian December 13 2012 07:02 AM

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Rama, nevermind the trolls.

TrekBBS seems to attract, paradoxically enough, a gang of anti-technological misanthropes.

It's sad, but the West has been overtaken by pessimism. This is not merely an effect, but a major cause of the economic slowdown of Europe and North America recent years, even prior to the great recession.

StarMan December 13 2012 08:55 AM

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Talosian wrote: (Post 7391203)
Rama, nevermind the trolls.

TrekBBS seems to attract, paradoxically enough, a gang of anti-technological misanthropes.

Well, I wouldn't say anti-tech. But I agree the pessimistic attitude is paradoxical for a ST board.

There are those who view RAMA's POV as a flight of fancy. You know what? Maybe. But I happen to like RAMA's POV and his willingness to dream big as opposed to the conceit held by some that conservative pessimist is the only appropriate position.

If there is a thread I don't wish to partake in, I don't post in it. Pretty f-ing simple.

sojourner December 13 2012 09:26 AM

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Talosian wrote: (Post 7391203)
Rama, nevermind the trolls.

TrekBBS seems to attract, paradoxically enough, a gang of anti-technological misanthropes.

It's sad, but the West has been overtaken by pessimism. This is not merely an effect, but a major cause of the economic slowdown of Europe and North America recent years, even prior to the great recession.

Oh I love technology and avidly read about future developments. I just happen to recognize the difference between technological advancement and the self delusion that the world is going to change to the point of being totally unrecognizable in the next 50 years, giving rise to computer AI that if asked "is there a god?", would merely reply "present".

Added to the fact that Rama spends a bit too much time believing every thing he sees and then running here to post "because -exponential! Singularity! Kurziweil says it will come true!" every time he finds some lame site like the one in the OP, yes. it gets tiring to hear it all the time.

One more thing, got any proof that A)"the west has been overtaken by pessimism" and B) it is the "major cause" of the current economic downturn?

Robert Maxwell December 13 2012 04:27 PM

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Snowjourner wrote: (Post 7385647)
You get paid to post all these link threads, don't you?

Stop that.

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newtype_alpha wrote: (Post 7386268)
Because an author using his own website to pitch a book that he wrote himself is totally relevant to science and technology.

Spam post is spam.

And that.

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Talosian wrote: (Post 7391203)
Rama, nevermind the trolls.

TrekBBS seems to attract, paradoxically enough, a gang of anti-technological misanthropes.

It's sad, but the West has been overtaken by pessimism. This is not merely an effect, but a major cause of the economic slowdown of Europe and North America recent years, even prior to the great recession.

And that, too. (Don't call people trolls. You will get an infraction for it next time.)

RAMA's problem is not that he "dreams big." There is nothing wrong with that. Speculating about the future is interesting, engaging, and fun. Where I take issue with it is when certain potential future advancements are touted as being "inevitable" or "just around the corner," or when current technological discoveries are played up into being more than they are.

For my money, I'm tired of hearing we're "on the verge" of one thing or another. We're always "on the verge" of a lot of things, apparently, very few of which actually pan out.

I like keeping an eye on nascent technologies, but I also try to view them realistically, knowing that most of what looks promising right now is going to turn out to be impractical, ineffective, or even a total fraud. There's nothing wrong with skepticism. In fact, people who appreciate science as a discipline are obligated to be skeptical. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Gov Kodos December 14 2012 10:49 AM

Re: Information age to "Hybrid Age"
 
Besides, all it means is being on the verge of downloading all the available porn on the Internet into your mind. That idea alone should frighten people without even considering all the useless blogs that can start live streaming through your dreams. Besides, it's not like many of us don't already spend enough time here, imagine having Robert Maxwell critiquing your day?

Crazy Eddie December 14 2012 07:55 PM

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^ In the middle of an argument with your really annoying co-worker, you suddenly get a message in your brain from your supervisor saying "Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM. Now get your asses back to work!"

RAMA December 27 2012 03:45 PM

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Snowjourner wrote: (Post 7385647)
You get paid to post all these link threads, don't you?

This is a science and technology forum... flying cars, bullet trains, 50s retro scifi are boring, these posts are genuinely mind expanding, with real and potential technologies/discoveries that should fire your imagination, instead, you're probably interested in Doctor Who, cosplay, and Space Patrol. That's not the future, so deal with it.

RAMA

RAMA December 27 2012 04:01 PM

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Talosian wrote: (Post 7391203)
Rama, nevermind the trolls.

TrekBBS seems to attract, paradoxically enough, a gang of anti-technological misanthropes.

It's sad, but the West has been overtaken by pessimism. This is not merely an effect, but a major cause of the economic slowdown of Europe and North America recent years, even prior to the great recession.

I find it ironic and amusing that sites like this has such a regression and anti-thinking-out-of-the-box predilection. I didn't think it would be possible 20 years ago, but while disappointing I suppose it doesn't surprise me anymore, like most people sci fi fans tend to like what's comfortable, which is why nostalgia is so powerful. Nothing wrong with nostalgia of course, only that it keeps people thinking backwards instead of forwards if delved in too deeply (like TOS "purists).

Here we are on the eve of incredible advancements, ones that can even help absolve us of our technological mistakes and human misery, and we are fighting it tooth and nail.

Most telling..I read an article a few days ago that suggests those who work in these technologies: AI, software, robotics, biotech are often the most pessimistic, and it's because their work has to be approached on this basis..hence their often negative reaction in media to the claims made for future AI, Singularity, etc. and sometimes there are roadblocks, but overall, the curve still turns upwards. You won't hear them tout those successes unless they are visionaries! In their eyes, there is the inexorable, never-ending task of development, deadlines, and progress. It's hard to be really satisfied when progress is never-ending.

Robert Maxwell December 27 2012 04:08 PM

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RAMA wrote: (Post 7450999)
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Talosian wrote: (Post 7391203)
Rama, nevermind the trolls.

TrekBBS seems to attract, paradoxically enough, a gang of anti-technological misanthropes.

It's sad, but the West has been overtaken by pessimism. This is not merely an effect, but a major cause of the economic slowdown of Europe and North America recent years, even prior to the great recession.

I find it ironic and amusing that sites like this has such a regression and anti-thinking-out-of-the-box predilection. I didn't think it would be possible 20 years ago, but while disappointing I suppose it doesn't surprise me anymore, like most people sci fi fans tend to like what's comfortable, which is why nostalgia is so powerful. Nothing wrong with nostalgia of course, only that it keeps people thinking backwards instead of forwards if delved in too deeply (like TOS "purists).

Here we are on the eve of incredible advancements, ones that can even help absolve us of our technological mistakes and human misery, and we are fighting it tooth and nail.

Most telling..I read an article a few days ago that suggests those who work in these technologies: AI, software, robotics, biotech are often the most pessimistic, and it's because their work has to be approached on this basis..hence their often negative reaction in media to the claims made for future AI, Singularity, etc. and sometimes there are roadblocks, but overall, the curve still turns upwards. You won't hear them tout those successes unless they are visionaries! In their eyes, there is the inexorable, never-ending task of development, deadlines, and progress. It's hard to be really satisfied when progress is never-ending.

No one's fighting anything, you're just upset that people aren't lapping up the Kurzweil Kool-Aid.

I'm a huge fan of technology and what it can and will do for us in the future. I just don't presume to think that any one person knows what the future will look like. That is what I consider "boxed-in": the belief that the future will look any certain way that we can predict right now. The fact is, we are notoriously bad at predicting the future, because technology isn't driven by any one factor. It's not driven just by what a bunch of eggheads imagine, nor what a megacorp's bean counters think will sell. It's a confluence of many factors that are difficult to track, measure, and predict.

I prefer to keep my options open.

RAMA December 27 2012 05:08 PM

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Robert Maxwell wrote: (Post 7451020)
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RAMA wrote: (Post 7450999)
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Talosian wrote: (Post 7391203)
Rama, nevermind the trolls.

TrekBBS seems to attract, paradoxically enough, a gang of anti-technological misanthropes.

It's sad, but the West has been overtaken by pessimism. This is not merely an effect, but a major cause of the economic slowdown of Europe and North America recent years, even prior to the great recession.

I find it ironic and amusing that sites like this has such a regression and anti-thinking-out-of-the-box predilection. I didn't think it would be possible 20 years ago, but while disappointing I suppose it doesn't surprise me anymore, like most people sci fi fans tend to like what's comfortable, which is why nostalgia is so powerful. Nothing wrong with nostalgia of course, only that it keeps people thinking backwards instead of forwards if delved in too deeply (like TOS "purists).

Here we are on the eve of incredible advancements, ones that can even help absolve us of our technological mistakes and human misery, and we are fighting it tooth and nail.

Most telling..I read an article a few days ago that suggests those who work in these technologies: AI, software, robotics, biotech are often the most pessimistic, and it's because their work has to be approached on this basis..hence their often negative reaction in media to the claims made for future AI, Singularity, etc. and sometimes there are roadblocks, but overall, the curve still turns upwards. You won't hear them tout those successes unless they are visionaries! In their eyes, there is the inexorable, never-ending task of development, deadlines, and progress. It's hard to be really satisfied when progress is never-ending.

No one's fighting anything, you're just upset that people aren't lapping up the Kurzweil Kool-Aid.

I'm a huge fan of technology and what it can and will do for us in the future. I just don't presume to think that any one person knows what the future will look like. That is what I consider "boxed-in": the belief that the future will look any certain way that we can predict right now. The fact is, we are notoriously bad at predicting the future, because technology isn't driven by any one factor. It's not driven just by what a bunch of eggheads imagine, nor what a megacorp's bean counters think will sell. It's a confluence of many factors that are difficult to track, measure, and predict.

I prefer to keep my options open.

I'm not upset at all. I'm trying to tell you the paradigm has changed, while no one is a prophet, we have systems available to predict the future with greater accuracy than ever before. Therefore we have the ability to affect more than ever...it's reinforcing...see how that works?

What I meant by fighting tooth and nail is the fact that humans are short-sighted...we pine for the past, eras which were supposed golden ages, when the very best we ever were is right now...even with all our imperfections. People want to bury their heads in the sand, they want to ignore technological change(how often have you heard people who use smartphone say they hate technology, or even see people choosing old phones over new ones)..it appears natural human instinct to do so as the information age expands, nostalgia flourishes(in the USA slightly less than in most countries, which to me is the only REAL world reason America is a superpower and so cool to be in)....here is where it gets good...we don't have to be that way...trans-humanism can mean expanding our human "RAM" and storage, as smartphoes, laptops, google etc are already doing to a degree. Sharing ideas, knowledge in real-time from our minds to a network can change human perception, change our provincialism as a species, mitigate tribal or political bias. It can change our perception of time to something more akin with reality. If you consider this boxed in, I feel sorry for you.

Joker December 27 2012 05:49 PM

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:lol:

That is all.

Robert Maxwell December 27 2012 06:10 PM

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RAMA wrote: (Post 7451173)
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Robert Maxwell wrote: (Post 7451020)
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RAMA wrote: (Post 7450999)

I find it ironic and amusing that sites like this has such a regression and anti-thinking-out-of-the-box predilection. I didn't think it would be possible 20 years ago, but while disappointing I suppose it doesn't surprise me anymore, like most people sci fi fans tend to like what's comfortable, which is why nostalgia is so powerful. Nothing wrong with nostalgia of course, only that it keeps people thinking backwards instead of forwards if delved in too deeply (like TOS "purists).

Here we are on the eve of incredible advancements, ones that can even help absolve us of our technological mistakes and human misery, and we are fighting it tooth and nail.

Most telling..I read an article a few days ago that suggests those who work in these technologies: AI, software, robotics, biotech are often the most pessimistic, and it's because their work has to be approached on this basis..hence their often negative reaction in media to the claims made for future AI, Singularity, etc. and sometimes there are roadblocks, but overall, the curve still turns upwards. You won't hear them tout those successes unless they are visionaries! In their eyes, there is the inexorable, never-ending task of development, deadlines, and progress. It's hard to be really satisfied when progress is never-ending.

No one's fighting anything, you're just upset that people aren't lapping up the Kurzweil Kool-Aid.

I'm a huge fan of technology and what it can and will do for us in the future. I just don't presume to think that any one person knows what the future will look like. That is what I consider "boxed-in": the belief that the future will look any certain way that we can predict right now. The fact is, we are notoriously bad at predicting the future, because technology isn't driven by any one factor. It's not driven just by what a bunch of eggheads imagine, nor what a megacorp's bean counters think will sell. It's a confluence of many factors that are difficult to track, measure, and predict.

I prefer to keep my options open.

I'm not upset at all. I'm trying to tell you the paradigm has changed, while no one is a prophet, we have systems available to predict the future with greater accuracy than ever before. Therefore we have the ability to affect more than ever...it's reinforcing...see how that works?

What I meant by fighting tooth and nail is the fact that humans are short-sighted...we pine for the past, eras which were supposed golden ages, when the very best we ever were is right now...even with all our imperfections. People want to bury their heads in the sand, they want to ignore technological change(how often have you heard people who use smartphone say they hate technology, or even see people choosing old phones over new ones)..it appears natural human instinct to do so as the information age expands, nostalgia flourishes(in the USA slightly less than in most countries, which to me is the only REAL world reason America is a superpower and so cool to be in)....here is where it gets good...we don't have to be that way...trans-humanism can mean expanding our human "RAM" and storage, as smartphoes, laptops, google etc are already doing to a degree. Sharing ideas, knowledge in real-time from our minds to a network can change human perception, change our provincialism as a species, mitigate tribal or political bias. It can change our perception of time to something more akin with reality. If you consider this boxed in, I feel sorry for you.

Sorry, but having a smartphone in your pocket is absolutely nowhere near being a cyborg. That's the kind of talk that makes you lose people, when you jump from current technology straight to fantasy. You also fail to acknowledge that just because something is possible, it doesn't mean everyone's going to want to do it.

Do you really think most people will be okay with cybernetically modifying their bodies, having all sorts of implants, enhancements, etc.? What about the legal ramifications? What impact will this have on education, sports, and human health in general? Instead, the talk is all about how cool it would be if we could do all this, and that we'll soon have the ability. Maybe we will, maybe we won't, but it's foolish to believe that once it is possible and practical, everyone will do it "just because."


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