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jhouston6 December 11 2012 01:52 AM

I know who the villain is.
 
J.J. Abrams and company have picked as their new villain the only villain who managed to kill Captain Kirk. The new villain is Soran. Look at the poster which features Cumberbatch wearing a trench coat which is what Soran wore in Generations. He is a character from canon that TOS crew never really dealt with. He has definite motives for revenge and he bares a very strong resemblance to Malcolm McDowell and he even sounds like him.

Bishop76 December 11 2012 01:58 AM

Re: I know who the villain is.
 
I know who it is too! John Harrison.

SalvorHardin December 11 2012 02:00 AM

Re: I know who the villain is.
 
You know nothing John Harrison.:p

Bishop76 December 11 2012 02:01 AM

Re: I know who the villain is.
 
lol - nice!

Santa Claus December 11 2012 02:07 AM

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jhouston6 wrote: (Post 7379194)
J.J. Abrams and company have picked as their new villain the only villain who managed to kill Captain Kirk. The new villain is Soran. Look at the poster which features Cumberbatch wearing a trench coat which is what Soran wore in Generations. He is a character from canon that TOS crew never really dealt with. He has definite motives for revenge and he bares a very strong resemblance to Malcolm McDowell and he even sounds like him.

Nah. That's pretty flimsy. It's possible the character isn't anyone at all that we'd know. The best way to keep people guessing is to make them think the bad guy is going to be someone well known from the original series. For all we know, it's Chuck Testa.

Bishop76 December 11 2012 02:14 AM

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Also, why would you tie your fancy new Trek movie into one of the worst Trek movies made? Coming in at a stellar 48% on Rotten Tomatoes and the 4th worst (by their scale) Trek movie of all time. Also, on the bottom half of money-makers for the franchise.

Santa Claus December 11 2012 02:16 AM

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Bishop76 wrote: (Post 7379320)
Also, why would you tie your fancy new Trek movie into one of the worst Trek movies made? Coming in at a stellar 48% on Rotten Tomatoes and the 4th worst (by their scale) Trek movie of all time. Also, on the bottom half of money-makers for the franchise.

Don't be silly. Trek movies aren't made for money! They're made to spread the gospel!

/taking the piss

;)

jhouston6 December 11 2012 02:29 AM

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Santa Hooves wrote: (Post 7379299)
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jhouston6 wrote: (Post 7379194)
J.J. Abrams and company have picked as their new villain the only villain who managed to kill Captain Kirk. The new villain is Soran. Look at the poster which features Cumberbatch wearing a trench coat which is what Soran wore in Generations. He is a character from canon that TOS crew never really dealt with. He has definite motives for revenge and he bares a very strong resemblance to Malcolm McDowell and he even sounds like him.

Nah. That's pretty flimsy. It's possible the character isn't anyone at all that we'd know. The best way to keep people guessing is to make them think the bad guy is going to be someone well known from the original series. For all we know, it's Chuck Testa.

It's the family line from the japanese trailer that gets me. Very few characters in Star Trek have lost their family. Soran is one. I think it could be soran because no one would see it coming.

Bishop76 December 11 2012 02:34 AM

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Soran as a villain is about as interesting as pineapple as a villain. People think the term family is literal. Sometimes family are the people you surround yourself with, not just blood relations. Like a crew, for example.

Santa Claus December 11 2012 02:35 AM

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Santa Hooves wrote: (Post 7379299)
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jhouston6 wrote: (Post 7379194)
J.J. Abrams and company have picked as their new villain the only villain who managed to kill Captain Kirk. The new villain is Soran. Look at the poster which features Cumberbatch wearing a trench coat which is what Soran wore in Generations. He is a character from canon that TOS crew never really dealt with. He has definite motives for revenge and he bares a very strong resemblance to Malcolm McDowell and he even sounds like him.

Nah. That's pretty flimsy. It's possible the character isn't anyone at all that we'd know. The best way to keep people guessing is to make them think the bad guy is going to be someone well known from the original series. For all we know, it's Chuck Testa.

It's the family line from the japanese trailer that gets me. Very few characters in Star Trek have lost their family. Soran is one. I think it could be soran because no one would see it coming.

Actually, MILLIONS of people in Star Trek have lost their families. In the 2009 movie alone, billions of Vulcans and Romulans died. Gods knows how many perished from the attack on Earth, or the attack on the fleet. In that vein, you might as well make "Cupcake" the villain.

Temis the Vorta December 11 2012 06:04 AM

Re: I know who the villain is.
 
Why not? At this point, I think Cumby as Cupcake would be a master stroke. :rommie:

Santa Claus December 11 2012 08:05 AM

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Vorta Claus wrote: (Post 7380256)
Why not? At this point, I think Cumby as Cupcake would be a master stroke. :rommie:

So many heads would explode!

jhouston6 December 11 2012 08:39 PM

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jhouston6 wrote: (Post 7379419)
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Santa Hooves wrote: (Post 7379299)

Nah. That's pretty flimsy. It's possible the character isn't anyone at all that we'd know. The best way to keep people guessing is to make them think the bad guy is going to be someone well known from the original series. For all we know, it's Chuck Testa.

It's the family line from the japanese trailer that gets me. Very few characters in Star Trek have lost their family. Soran is one. I think it could be soran because no one would see it coming.

Actually, MILLIONS of people in Star Trek have lost their families. In the 2009 movie alone, billions of Vulcans and Romulans died. Gods knows how many perished from the attack on Earth, or the attack on the fleet. In that vein, you might as well make "Cupcake" the villain.

A villain from TOS and movies who lost their family. Look at a picture of a young Malcolm McDowell and Benedict Cumberbatch and tell me that he couldn't play a young Tolian Soran.

Solstice December 11 2012 08:55 PM

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jhouston6 wrote: (Post 7383175)
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Santa Hooves wrote: (Post 7379446)
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jhouston6 wrote: (Post 7379419)
It's the family line from the japanese trailer that gets me. Very few characters in Star Trek have lost their family. Soran is one. I think it could be soran because no one would see it coming.

Actually, MILLIONS of people in Star Trek have lost their families. In the 2009 movie alone, billions of Vulcans and Romulans died. Gods knows how many perished from the attack on Earth, or the attack on the fleet. In that vein, you might as well make "Cupcake" the villain.

A villain from TOS and movies who lost their family. Look at a picture of a young Malcolm McDowell and Benedict Cumberbatch and tell me that he couldn't play a young Tolian Soran.

He's not Soran.

Xaios December 11 2012 09:34 PM

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They'd have to break continuity into little tiny pieces to make Soran the villain for this film. Star Trek (2009) occurs mostly during 2258. Assuming that the four years between films is translated real-time, that would mean STID occurs at about 2262.

Now, in fairness, the El-Aurians were a space-faring race long before that, with Guinan having visited Earth in the 1800s. However, the Borg don't attack El-Auria until 2265, 3 years before. Not only would Soran not yet be a refugee, he'd have no motive, or at least nothing that minutely resembled his motive from Generations. He'd be the same villain in name only. It's one thing for Nero's actions to have a measurable effect on someone who grew up in the immediate vicinity of Starfleet so that it could change the course of their life, such as John Harrison, who may or may not be the same Lt. Harrison from TOS. It's another thing for Nero's actions to have an effect on two species who were damn near completely unrelated to the Federation, in an event happening on the other side of the galaxy.

There are other reasons as well. For example, Generations establishes that Soran is over 300 years old, which means if he were in STID, he'd be just shy of 200 years old at the very least, so it's unlikely that they'd cast someone who looks so much younger. (Granted, El-Aurian aging is a bit of an enigma, what with Guinan having hardly aged a day over the course of about 500 years, and she still looks younger than Soran).
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I will hijack my own post to say that I always thougt Soran got an undeserved bad rap as a villian. Not only does he have a reasonable motivation and goal (honestly, he's the most believable of all the TNG film villains, and the least generic), but he's Malcolm f***ing McDowell.


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