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Why was the 2-foot model built?
In miniature photography bigger is usually better in nearly all cases.
Was the smaller Enterprise buit for quicker shooting deadlines using a smaller crew or was it needed for shooting against strange effects/explosions that would have been prohibitively expensive using six footer? Was it filmed against the same blue screen as the six or elsewhere allowing multiple shots to be completed simultaneously? What is the history of the two-foot model? |
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As far as I know, it was built primarily to accomplish far shots that would have required much more complicated and time consuming lens set ups, or a massive soundstage with the 6 foot model. It was/is common practice to build models of different scales to accomplish different shots.
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Bigger is better for close-ups, but for long shots, if the ship is far away from the camera, you want a smaller miniature, since a bluescreen stage is only so big and the camera can only move back so far. Here's ILM's model shop supervisor Jeff Mann from "Creating Special Effects for 'STAR TREK: The Next Generation" in Starlog's ST:TNG magazine issue 2, p. 28:
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Can't you just scale a large model shot smaller in post production(I am guessing you could but it would take time and most likely look bad)?
What about movies like ROTJ? All the distance shots during the battle of Endor were done with small models or was ILM's shooting stage that big? What about the distance shot of the Enterprise in TMP flying over V'ger from above? The TMP model was huge and massive. |
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I'm not sure about ROTJ, but I'd assume that it would have been a combination of different scale models and matte paintings. As far as scaling a model goes, sure, they could do that, but it's still more challenging to get a large model, shot at the correct angles into the frame. Plus, you have to remember that motion control means that you need room for the model to move. You could get better, more intricate movement with a smaller model.
In TMP, there was an extremely tiny refit-E model that was used for the V'Ger flyover. Less than a foot, I believe. |
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ILM built the hero 6' model, and the 2' model. Both could be saucer separated. Both evilnate and Christopher are correct. The long shot wide-angle banking scenes of the two separate sections were easier to set up with the smaller model. To stage it with the 6' model at the same scaled distance, would require enough stage room for the camera to make that banking turn. And setting up the 6' foot model was likely more expensive on the budget. Most of the separations seen are recyclings from 'Encounter at Farpoint'.
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There's a lot of info about all the D models here: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Galaxy_class_model
I'm assuming this site is trustworthy and the information accurate. It includes saying off-the-bat that the 2 foot can NOT saucer seper. It's the four-footer that has always looked odd to me with its "ribbed for her pleasure" saucer. |
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My understanding has always been that only the 6-footer could separate the saucer. That's why they stopped using the saucer-sep maneuver in the show -- because the 6-footer was too unwieldy to work with, and it was the only separable one they had.
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According to that Mem Alpha entry, only the six footer can separate.
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It's the same reason ILM built an off-the-shelf AMT Enterprise model for the movies - the 6-footer just doesn't look right when scaled down.
Unfortunately, the effects team got tired of the 6-footer, so they used the 2-footer inappropriately during season 2. I don't think the janky-looking deflector was ever meant to be shown close-up. Between the 2 and 4, using the 4 going forward was the lesser of two evils. Thank goodness the 6-footer got to be used one last time in Generations (not counting BOBW). BTW, if you are curious, the AMT Refit Enterprise was used in these shots: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...twokhd0802.jpg http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0143.jpg http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0154.jpg http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0980.jpg http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tuchd2298.jpg And here it is at auction: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/MiniEntA.html I notice in The Schizoid Man in HD, the ship warps away from Graves' World still using the 6-foot model. The scaling gets pretty bad when it zooms away. Odd choice. Also interesting that the 2-footer disappeared without a trace. I wonder if it will ever turn up. I saw the 4-foot model up close at a Star Trek exhibit. It looks awful. It still has scars from the All Good Things modifications. |
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And yeah, it didn't really stand out much before, but in HD it's painfully clear that the 2-footer was relied on WAY too much in the second season. |
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What? The 6-footer never got used again after season 1 until BOBW and Generations? Really?
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