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Dingo December 5 2012 01:31 AM

Had Sisko Always Been Command Track
 
Just out of curiousity I wonder had Captain Sisko always been a command track officer? Owing to the fact that he worked on the Defiant class ship, and had some time at Utopia Planetia, it led me to think he started out in Engineering or Operations before going command track.

Smellincoffee December 5 2012 03:45 AM

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He was in Engineering before a captain suggested he take up command. I think XO of the Saratoga was his first Command gig, actually.

Jon-o'-lantern December 5 2012 06:55 AM

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^ Sisko was XO on the Okinawa prior to the Saratoga.

In "Paradise Lost" Leyton did comment that when he met Sisko that Sisko was more interested in engineering and starship design rather than command, which does suggest he might have been on a different tack.

George Steinbrenner December 5 2012 07:14 AM

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Sisko was the Okinawa's chief engineer before he was the XO.

t_smitts December 5 2012 08:15 AM

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Michael Piller once said this in an interview:

"It was harder to define Sisko as a character than perhaps any of the others, and ultimately it took us probably a season and a half to reach the conclusion that Sisko was a builder, a man who built things, stayed with projects, as opposed to the driver, the captain of a starship who went off and moved from place to place."


If you look at Sisko's career, it's pretty consistent with that, even before they decided it. Between the Saratoga and DS9, he worked at Utopia Planitia, helping to design and build starships, including the Defiant. He helped restore and active community on DS9.

In season 4, we learn he was once offered a civilian job on Earth building orbital habitats. In season 7 he talks about building a house on Bajor.

If Sisko was around today, I imagine he'd be an engineer or an architect.

TheRoyalFamily December 5 2012 08:24 AM

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Quote:

t_smitts wrote: (Post 7348594)

In season 4, we learn he was once offered a civilian job on Earth building orbital habitats. In season 7 he talks about building a house on Bajor.

He also built that Bajoran sail ship. By himself. From ancient blueprints that he himself deciphered. For fun.

The Librarian December 5 2012 04:42 PM

Re: Had Sisko Always Been Command Track
 
Also, there probably isn't any such thing as "command track". All officers are, by definition, command track unless it's a staff position like medical or maybe science. Otherwise they wouldn't be officers.

Geoff Peterson December 5 2012 06:42 PM

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That's probably what "command track" means. An officer that isn't part of a "specialty" like medical, science or engineering. COs most likely tend to come from security, tactical and flight control. All officers probably have some sort of "command" training in the sense that they would need that to supervise junior officers and enlisted men, but that wouldn't mean they were command material.

Nerys Ghemor December 5 2012 06:50 PM

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In the real-life military, there is a difference between being an officer of the line versus a specialized officer (such as medical or JAG--referred to in the Air Force as a "professional" officer).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_of_the_line

One example of this is that in TNG, Dr. Crusher is a full commander, but with only one exception, she is not seen to take command, and if she does pull rank, it's normally restricted to a medical context under her powers as CMO.

By the description in the article, it might be that Sisko has sometimes been an officer of the line, and sometimes not--but even that article makes clear that sometimes the distinction is blurred.

Geoff Peterson December 5 2012 06:53 PM

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It's possible, that like Scotty, he was second officer and chief engineer.

snakespeare December 5 2012 11:02 PM

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Quote:

Nerys Ghemor wrote: (Post 7350229)
In the real-life military, there is a difference between being an officer of the line versus a specialized officer (such as medical or JAG--referred to in the Air Force as a "professional" officer).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_of_the_line

One example of this is that in TNG, Dr. Crusher is a full commander, but with only one exception, she is not seen to take command, and if she does pull rank, it's normally restricted to a medical context under her powers as CMO.

By the description in the article, it might be that Sisko has sometimes been an officer of the line, and sometimes not--but even that article makes clear that sometimes the distinction is blurred.

Great point!

One exception to this, in the Navy, is command of medical ships, which does go to Captains of the Medical Corps. So Dr. Crusher's command of a science vessel does have precedence in real life.

Nerys Ghemor December 6 2012 12:08 AM

Re: Had Sisko Always Been Command Track
 
I'm not arguing that. ;)

Similarly, if there was a period when Sisko was not a line officer, perhaps he commanded a Starfleet Corps of Engineers unit or even an SCE ship.

Pavonis December 6 2012 12:42 AM

Re: Had Sisko Always Been Command Track
 
When would Sisko have had a chance to command a Corps of Engineers unit?

When we were introduced to him, he was already a lieutenant commander, and executive officer of a starship. We learned in "Home Front" that he was also previously an executive officer on a different starship (presumably, but not definitely, at lieutenant commander). We know his whole career after that. So, where was he before the Okinawa?

We know that Sisko, as an ensign, was also involved in whatever Curzon Dax was doing, presumably something involving diplomacy and somehow involving the starship Livingston. Perhaps providing security as a personal bodyguard? Why else would a young officer be involved with a fiesty diplomat? Was he in some kind of mentorship program for command-track junior officers?

We don't really know what Sisko was doing when he was a lieutenant, but had to have been engineering, and it is probable that he was an engineering officer on the Okinawa as a lieutenant, maybe he was the chief engineer. Then Leyton made him his XO, and the rest is history....

Nerys Ghemor December 6 2012 03:25 AM

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In the real-life Navy, it's possible for officers to have small ship commands before the rank of captain. So it's not impossible. :)

C.E. Evans December 8 2012 03:42 PM

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I've always taken the position of Sisko originally being from Starfleet's operations division (operations, engineering, security, tactical) and then transferring to the command division.


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