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throwback December 4 2012 11:58 PM

Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
I have been able to read at least ten of the names on the list seen in the courtroom. They are the Enterprise, the Constantinople, the Wellington, the Farouk El-Baz, the Hokule'a, the Yorktown, the Apollo, the Yuri Gagarin, the Lexington, the Excelsior, and the Neil Armstrong. Two of the ships on the list are on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan, and one is under repair at Starbase 74.

I would like to know if other people have been able to read the other fourteen names.

Dukhat December 5 2012 05:12 AM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
Care to give us some insight on how you got those names in the first place? Every screencap I've ever seen of that wall chart was a blurry mess...unless you have access to the HD scenes, in which case it's doubtful that most people have seen them.

What's also interesting is that if you read it right, that would mean that there's both a USS Neil Armstrong AND a USS Armstrong operating at the same time (the latter is a Challenger class vessel), unless they are actually supposed to be the same ship. Plus we have the class ships for the Apollo and Hokule'a classes. Does the chart happen to show registry numbers and/or class designations?

Albertese December 5 2012 06:46 AM

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Quote:

throwback wrote: (Post 7346905)
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Two of the ships on the list are on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan, and one is under repair at Starbase 74.

...

I hope they fare better than the Tantive IV!

--Alex

throwback December 5 2012 07:08 AM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
I have the blue-ray. I started this thread on the first day with the expectation that it could be built on as more people watch the episode.

There is one scene, where Riker after removing Data's arm, returns to the android . This is the best time to see the chart; however, in pause, it's blurred, so it's a process of playing, rewinding, and playing.

The chart is divided into four columns - Ship Name, Registry, Captain, and Assignment. For instance, for the Enterprise,

* U.S.S. Enterprise
*
NCC-1701-D
* Jean-Luc Picard
* Docked at Starbase 173

Most of the assignments are identified as Neutral Zone Patrols and Deep Space Exploration. However, there are exceptions. The Constantinople is on a special assignment.

throwback December 5 2012 01:02 PM

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After extensive reviewing, this is what I have come up with:

Line 1: U.S.S. Enterprise
Line 2: U.S.S. (), NCC-2xxxx
Line 3: U.S.S. Constantinople, NCC-4xxxx
Line 4: U.S.S. Wellington, NCC-3xxxx
Line 5: U.S.S. Farouk El-Baz, NCC-3xxxx
Line 6: U.S.S. Hokule'a, NCC-3xxxx
Line 7: U.S.S. Atlantis, NCC-3xxxx
Line 8: U.S.S. (), NCC-3xxxx
Line 9: U.S.S. Da-Taplan, NCC-3xxxx
Line 10: U.S.S. Neil Armstrong, NCC-3xxxx
Line 11: U.S.S. Saratoga, NCC-3xxxx
Line 12: U.S.S. (), NCC-3xxxx
Lines 13, 22: U.S.S. Endeavour, NCC-2xxxx
Line 14, 23: U.S.S. Yorktown, NCC-2xxxx
Line 15, 24: U.S.S. Excelsior, NCC-21145
Line 16: U.S.S. (), NCC-2xxxx
Line 17: U.S.S. Lexington, NCC-3xxxx
Line 18: U.S.S. Excalibur, NCC-21xxx
Line 19: U.S.S. Yuri Gagarin, NCC-3xxxx
Line 20: U.S.S. (), NCC-2xxxx
Line 21: U.S.S. Apollo, NCC-3xxxx

The Hokule'a and the Apollo have higher registries than ships that belong to either the Hokule'a-class or the Apollo-class.

So, that leaves five ships that I am not able to read.

.

Dukhat December 6 2012 12:30 AM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
At Flare Forums where I post, I found an old thread about this. Maybe it will help a tiny bit:

http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultima...ic/6/2732.html

Also, some observations (depending on if your scrutinizing is correct): The Atlantis on this chart has a different registry number than the Atlantis on the "Conspiracy" diagrams; the Constantinople, the Wellington, the Yorktown, and the Lexington all have different numbers than what is listed in the Encyclopedia for what are presumably the same ships; the Excalibur's reg is different than what was on the studio model; and as you already stated, two presumed class ships' regs are higher than other known ships of their class.

I'd say the information on this chart is either mostly meaningless, or mostly more authoritative than the Encyclopedia, depending on your point of view. IMHO, I'm leaning toward the former.

DEWLine December 6 2012 10:34 PM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
This list of names is off of the Blu-Ray edition?

I have to admit that I like the idea of naming ships for Armstrong and Gagarin very much, just as naming them for places such as White Sands and Tranquility Base does a great deal for me in a good way.

throwback December 6 2012 11:06 PM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
Yes. I have done some more scrutinizing.

I have been able to get some registries for these ships:
* U.S.S. Excelsior, NCC-21445
* U.S.S. Yorktown, NCC-20045
* U.S.S. Endeavour, NCC-25330
* U.S.S. Apollo, NCC-30000
* U.S.S. , NCC-30352 (this ship is under repair at Starbase 74)
* U.S.S. Yuri Gagarin, NCC-25306
* U.S.S. Excalibur, NCC-21534
* U.S.S. Lexington, NCC-30405

These ships were the easiest to get registries for.

I am nowhere close to getting the names for five of the ships.

B.J. December 6 2012 11:34 PM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
Quote:

throwback wrote: (Post 7348495)
I have the blue-ray.

So, care to provide the rest of us with screencaps? :D

Quote:

Dukhat wrote: (Post 7351870)
At Flare Forums where I post, I found an old thread about this. Maybe it will help a tiny bit:

http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultima...ic/6/2732.html

Wow, surprised to find myself in that thread! I guess I posted there a bit more recently than I thought.

Undead December 6 2012 11:49 PM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
FASA assumed that the Grissom model which became the Oberth class was a Gagarin class vessel instead, and by TNG there was an improved model named the Sagan class to which the Tsiolkovsky belonged. Perhaps one could say the Gagarin was the original model, and the Sagan and Oberth were later refits/modernizations. Best way I can see to make them all fit. :D

throwback December 9 2012 08:19 PM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
I have completed my work on the list. Here are the results.

Name
Registry
Captain
Assignment

U.S.S. Enterprise
NCC-1701-D
Jean-Luc Picard
Docked at Starbase 173

U.S.S. Yamato

NCC-24383
Richard McKenzie
On Patrol, Sector 134, Neutral Zone
Notes: This is the fourth registry for a ship of this name in this season. The other registries are NCC-1305-E, NCC-71807, and NCC-71808. Richard McKenzie was a set designer.

U.S.S. Constantinople

NCC-43622
Richard James
Special Assignment, Terraform Command
Notes: Terraform Command was mentioned in TNG: "Home Soil". Richard James was a production designer.

U.S.S. Wellington

NCC-33821
Thomas Pucer
On Patrol, Sector 130, Neutral Zone

U.S.S. Farouk El-Baz

NCC-31823
Cari L. Thomas
On Patrol, Sector 130, Neutral Zone
Notes: Cari L. Thomas was a visual effects artist.

U.S.S. Hokule’a

NCC-30187
Robert Metoyer
Planetary Exploration, Sector 130
Notes: Robert Metoyer was an assistant director.

U.S.S. Atlantis

NCC-3210
Dick Brownfield
Diplomatic Mission to Alderaan
Notes: A ship of this name appeared in TNG: "Conspiracy". with a higher registry. Dick Brownfield was a visual effects artist.

U.S.S.
[]vicker
NCC-31810
Adele Simmons
Planetary Exploration, Sector 142
Notes: This is the first of three ships whose names I am unable to read completely. The first four letters are illegible. Adele Simmons was an assistant director.

U.S.S. []cal

NCC-31054
Elaina Vescio
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 010
Notes: I am not sure how many letters are missing from this name. Elaine Vescio was in charge of set security. Sector 10 was mentioned for the first time in TNG: "Conspiracy".

U.S.S. Neil Armstrong

NCC-31806
Gere LaDue
Planetary Exploration, Sector 142
Notes: This ship might be the same that visited DS9 during the Klingon-Federation war for repairs. Gere LaDue was an assistant director.

U.S.S. Saratoga

NCC-31640
Martin Jedlicka
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 002
Notes: Martin Jedlicka was an assistant director.

U.S.S. Da-Teplan

NCC-30087
Richard Cronn
Planetary Exploration, Sector 054
Notes: Richard Cronn was the chief lighting technician.

U.S.S. Endeavour

NCC-25330
Cosmo Genovese
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 007
Notes: Cosmo Genovese was a script supervisor.

U.S.S. Yorktown

NCC-20045
Gregory Benson
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 032
Notes: This might be the same Yorktown that visited DS9 in 2370.

U.S.S. Excelsior

NCC-21445
Muriel Epstein
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 034
Notes: Muriel Epstein was a special effects technician.

U.S.S. Amber

NCC-21335
Marian Fife
Diplomatic Mission to Alderaan
Notes: Marian Fife was a studio teacher.

U.S.S. Lexington

NCC-30405
Wil Thoms
Planetary Exploration, Sector 028
Notes: Wil Thomas was a special effects artist.

U.S.S. Excalibur

NCC-21534
Al Smutko
On Patrol, Sector 130, Neutral Zone
Notes: Al Smutko was a construction coordinator.

U.S.S. Yuri Gagarin

NCC-25306
Alan Bernard
On Patrol, Sector 142, Neutral Zone
Notes: Alan Bernard was a sound mixer.

U.S.S
. []
NCC-30352
Peter Lauritson
Under Repair, Starbase 74
Notes: I was unable to read any of this ship's letters, other than U.S.S. The word is the same length as Apollo. Peter Lauritson was an associate producer at the time of this episode.

U.S.S. Apollo

NCC-30000
Dennis McCarthy
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 002
Notes: Dennis McCarthy was a music composer.

U.S.S. Endeavour

NCC-25330
Cosmo Genovese
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 007

U.S.S. Yorktown

NCC-20045
Gregory Benson
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 032

U.S.S. Excelsior

NCC-21445
Muriel Epstein
Deep Space Exploration, Sector 034

I am not guaranteeing that these results are 100% accurate.

Chemahkuu December 9 2012 08:47 PM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
Yay? :shrug:

throwback December 9 2012 08:52 PM

Re: Ships In "The Measure of a Man"
 
There are people who like making ship lists. I am one of those people. I did this for myself, and I shared what I learned.

Spike730 December 10 2012 06:33 AM

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I appreciate what you did.

Yeah, pretty much all of these registries clash with the Encyclopedia. But on the other hand most of the registries and class designations from the Encylopedia haven't been backed up by an onscreen source so far.

B.J. December 10 2012 09:28 AM

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Still want to see screencaps. Not sure if everyone would come to the same conclusions you have.


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