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t_smitts November 30 2012 10:40 PM

Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
They always always been consistent on who falls in which camp, but my assumption is as follows:

(P..S. I'm not bothering with listing "aliens of the week")

1 name:
-Vulcans
-Romulans
-Klingons
-Ferengi
-Andorians
-Tellarites
-Talaxians
-Ocampa
-Vorta
-Jem'Hadar
-Denobulans
-Suliban
-Deltans
-Son'a / Ba'ku
-Benzites


2 names:
-Humans (duh!)
-Bajorans (family name, then given name)
-Cardassians
-Trill (In joined Trill, symbiont's name replaces host's family name)
-Betazoids

Now this is just my opinion and there are exceptions (M'Kota R'Cho for the Klingons. Alidar Jarok and Telek R'Mor, among others, for Romulans. Par Lenor for Ferengi. Spock's supposed "unrponouncable" last name for Vulcans) But the majority of individuals from a species point to one, I'm inclined to believe that one.

I'd also point out that some, like Thy'lek Shran, are from split second data screens that are sometimes dubious. I'd further point out that some may not be a first and last name, but simply one name with two words (like the surname "Van Gogh").

A few races I'm on the fence about: Some of the Xindi may have one or the other, for instance. We've only had one named Tholian and Gorn in canon, so that's not enough to rule one way or the other, IMHO. The Kazon, I think are kind of vague, with the earning of names and all.

What do you think?

teacake November 30 2012 10:51 PM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
Vulcans have more than one name, it's just the surname is unpronouncable by humans.

It's entirely possible that seemingly single name races have names that are never used to address them but are known by their own people to designate cast or ramily.

Christopher November 30 2012 10:55 PM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
The Pocket novels of recent years have established fuller naming conventions for Andorians, and Tellarites (in fact, I happen to be the one who came up with the Tellarite naming pattern now used in the books, or at least the prototype for it). The '80s novels established fuller names for Klingons (in John M. Ford's The Final Reflection and Romulans (in Diane Duane's Rihannsu novels), but those naming patterns aren't generally used in tie-ins anymore. But you still do see Romulans in the novels with two names. The current Praetor in the novel continuity is Gell Kamemor, and the books have given the Romulan Commander from "The Enterprise Incident" the name Liviana Charvanek.

Canon has established that a Klingon's full name includes a patronymic/house designator, such as "Worf, Son of Mogh." (Although since he was adopted, his full legal name should be Worf Rozhenko.) I sometimes wonder if "Sarek, child of Skon, child of Solkar" is a translation of the full Vulcan family name.

C.E. Evans November 30 2012 10:56 PM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
It could be a case that in some alien cultures, the family name is considered sacred or that it's simply more common to just use the given name (especially if the full name is very long).

Captain Rob November 30 2012 11:32 PM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
I thought Spock's first name was Carl?

Christopher November 30 2012 11:46 PM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
According to Dorothy Fontana, Spock's first name is Harold.

T'Girl December 1 2012 12:01 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
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Christopher wrote: (Post 7327912)
such as "Worf, Son of Mogh." (Although since he was adopted, his full legal name should be Worf Rozhenko.)

Worf Moghovich?

Adopted children don't alway take the family name of their adopted parents, or keep it in adulthood. One of my cousins, who was adopted into the family at age nine, asked to be able to keep the last name of Sanchez out of respect for her late father. It's her legal name.

:)

Shawnster December 1 2012 12:40 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
Yet Worf referred to his son as "Alexander Rozhenko" in New Ground

iguana_tonante December 1 2012 12:58 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
Beside, there are people (I mean real people, humans) with only one name, three, or four.

T'Girl December 1 2012 01:19 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
I have four.

iguana_tonante December 1 2012 01:24 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
Good for you.

Tiberius December 1 2012 06:52 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
Quote:

Christopher wrote: (Post 7327912)
Canon has established that a Klingon's full name includes a patronymic/house designator, such as "Worf, Son of Mogh." (Although since he was adopted, his full legal name should be Worf Rozhenko.) I sometimes wonder if "Sarek, child of Skon, child of Solkar" is a translation of the full Vulcan family name.

This makes sense. Even here on Earth we have names similar to this. Katie O'Claire is literally Katie from the town of Claire (iirc), and the Mc or Mac in names literally means "Son of", so Ronald McDonald is Ronald, son of Donald.

Mr. Laser Beam December 1 2012 07:08 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
Quote:

Shawnster wrote: (Post 7328365)
Yet Worf referred to his son as "Alexander Rozhenko" in New Ground

Alexander was named by his mother, and I'm guessing she was following human naming conventions since she didn't particularly care about Klingon tradition.

About Romulan names: The character of Valdore (who appeared in ENT) is, in the novels, given the full name of Valdore i'Kaleh tr'Ihaimehn. Perhaps Romulans follow naming conventions similar to those used in certain Spanish speaking countries, in which a person uses both their mother and father's last names? (for example, the ex-Yankee Bernie Williams, his full name is Bernabé Williams Figueroa)

As for the Jem'Hadar: I heard that Jem'Hadar names are assigned by their First who is the commander of their unit. Is this true? I swear I read that in some novel.

-Brett- December 1 2012 08:00 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
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t_smitts wrote: (Post 7327825)
1 name:
-Romulans

Not entirely true. Off the top of my head, there's Alidar Jarok (not to be confused with the poster here). Senator Cretak was referred to as "Kimura" or something to that effect, it's been forever since I've seen that episode. From context, it sounded like a given name.

I think Romulans have naming conventions similar to humans, we just rarely get on a first name basis with any of them.

KamenRiderBlade December 1 2012 08:53 AM

Re: Aliens with one name vs. aliens with two names
 
So here's the thing I always found interesting about human last names.

Traditionally, most family's just take the father's last name for the children and wife.

Doesn't that seem kind of antiquated? Imagine what if humans went by a different route way back in the past and it followed onto today.

Imagine if the children had both parents first name as their last names but with a hyphen seperating the two parents name?

It would be a unqiue way of naming and have a consistant way of passing down family heritage.


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