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Terran November 21 2012 11:25 PM

Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
So I was having this ol' debate with a friend the other day, my friend being a Star Wars fan. His reasoning being that Star Wars is better because it caters to a wider audience, has a larger budget and better CGI. But for me, he just isn't getting it. Trek is just so much more involving for me. Not only is there much much more content out there to experience, but its reflection of real world issues, and its cultural diversity make it for me. I don't think I need to even point out that Star Wars has Jar Jar.

So, I wonder how many reasons we can come up with that Star Trek is better than Star Wars (or the other way round perhaps, for arguments sake).

JirinPanthosa November 22 2012 04:10 AM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
First of all, budget is irrelevant, audience size is irrelevant. If you use those as arguments you automatically declare Twilight as high art.

I prefer Star Trek, hard to say it's better. I could easily argue Star Wars is better. But, things Star Trek does better than Star Wars.

1) Greater variety of stories to be told in the universe
2) Better at moral philosophy, more nuanced in Star Wars you're just kinda either good or evil.
3) Universe is more expansive
4) Star Trek doesn't rely on planet-destruction to make you root against the bad guy.
5) The prequels.

Reasons Star Wars is better than Star Trek?

1) Less preachy
2) Star Trek is oversaturated, there's just so much of it a whole lot of it isn't very good
3) More straightforward entertainment, designed around action and adrenaline.
4) Relies less on technobabble and gadget-ex-machina.
5) Enterprise

teacake November 22 2012 04:16 AM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
I like both kinds of music.

The Wormhole November 22 2012 04:11 PM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
I like both Star Trek and Star Wars, why do we have to pit them against each other?

Admittedly, I'm probably more into Trek than Wars, but Star Wars has entertained me since I was ten years old and has provided me many fine memories throughout life. Really, there is no Star Trek vs Star Wars, neither one is better or worse than the other. Granted we all have preferances for one or the other, but preferances do not equal quality.

Gotham Central November 22 2012 05:06 PM

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Star Wars is more popular because it was created as a straight old fashioned adventure. It benefits from the fact that its was tethered to more historical/timeless archetypes and storytelling. Star Trek was more understated and more reliant on military structures that had fallen out of favor by the time Star wars rolled around. Indeed, on of the things that Trek had going for it in the 60s was that much of its viewing audience had a favorable view of military service and experience with such service. Star wars was about the triumph of rebellion over oppressive authority. That's the world we've been living in ever since.

Star Wars is also more popular because Star Wars was an event. The was very little of it so when you got new product it was BIG news. Star Trek was on television uninterrupted for the better part of 20 years. Even the movies sometimes felt lacking because of the scope of what could be found on TV every week.

The Wormhole November 22 2012 05:09 PM

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Gotham Central wrote: (Post 7290511)
Star Wars is also more popular because Star Wars was an event. The was very little of it so when you got new product it was BIG news. Star Trek was on television uninterrupted for the better part of 20 years. Even the movies sometimes felt lacking because of the scope of what could be found on TV every week.

It is true the announcement of Star Wars Episode VII has received a lot more fanfare than the announcement of Trek XI back in 2006.

Gotham Central November 22 2012 05:31 PM

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The Wormhole wrote: (Post 7290520)
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Gotham Central wrote: (Post 7290511)
Star Wars is also more popular because Star Wars was an event. The was very little of it so when you got new product it was BIG news. Star Trek was on television uninterrupted for the better part of 20 years. Even the movies sometimes felt lacking because of the scope of what could be found on TV every week.

It is true the announcement of Star Wars Episode VII has received a lot more fanfare than the announcement of Trek XI back in 2006.

It makes sense if you think about it. Most people both in the media and fans knew that Star Trek would not stay dormant long. Where as with Star Wars, most of knew that there would probably be more at some point, but many thought it was going to have to wait for Lucas to become one with the Force before he'd let that happen.

T'Girl November 22 2012 08:32 PM

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JirinPanthosa wrote: (Post 7288972)
things Star Trek does better than Star Wars.

3) Universe is more expansive

While I enjoy both ST and SW, I love Star Trek more, but on your point three, I think you have it reversed. The Star Wars extended universe is out and out huge. Even just going off what's on screen Star Wars has more species, more planets and most important, far more diversity of beliefs and concepts than is ever seen in Star Trek. Star Wars did have more money thrown at it and it shows. Star Trek has more hours behind it and you see that, but much of what you see is the same.

The Republic/Empire is depicted as enormous, in comparison the Federation is tiny.

:)

MacLeod November 22 2012 08:48 PM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
Does TV Sci-Fi have a stigma attached to it, or did it in the past?

I'd bet there are some peope that won't admit to watching the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre on TV but say they went to see one of those genre movies at the cinema.

-Brett- November 23 2012 05:30 AM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
Apples and oranges, as they say.

Other than the name and the fact that they're both set in space, they don't actually have a hell of a lot in common. Well, they're both creatively dead properties whose best days are long past and whose fanbases have only endless mediocrity to look forward to, if they're lucky, but that's about where the similarities end.

teacake November 23 2012 06:13 AM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
The ONLY reason these two keep getting pitted against each other is that they each start with the word Star.

This is why Stargate cleverly used the star word as the first syllable rather than the first word. To avoid these retarded comparisons.

Nerys Myk November 23 2012 06:31 AM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
There is only one reason I can think of: I like it more. Your mileage may vary.

FreddyE November 23 2012 10:17 AM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
For me itīs a non-issue. I donīt get why people see both shows as somehow "warring" (pardon the pun). Granted, they are of the same main genre...but have decidetly different sub-gerne characteristics. Star Wars is sci-fi fantasy / space opera, Star Trek is sci-fi utopia most of the time. Itīs like comparing apples and bananas.

King Daniel Into Darkness November 23 2012 10:18 PM

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T'Girl wrote: (Post 7291042)
The Star Wars extended universe is out and out huge. Even just going off what's on screen Star Wars has more species, more planets and most important, far more diversity of beliefs and concepts than is ever seen in Star Trek.

If you include the SW EU, you've gotta include Trek's too, and although I can't compare it directly to the SW EU (of which my knowledge is nil), it's far more diverse than anything in TV/film Trek. It's also insanely enourmous, covering countless locations, Human, Romulan, Klingon, Tzenkethi, Cardassian, Ferengi and a great meany other wordviews, and multiple alternate histories.

T'Girl November 23 2012 10:52 PM

Re: Age old discussion, Star Trek vs. Star Wars
 
Semi concede the point KingDaniel, while my knowledge of EU-Trek is above nil, it likely isn't as extensive as yours. If you include the source books for the various role playing games going back to the 1980's, the Federation becomes far larger and more powerful entity than what little we saw on screen. Beyond even the Dominion War Starfleet.

Plus, the Federation will alway have two important advantages over the Empire. One, Starfleet would find a valuable ally in the rebel alliance. Two, it would never be necessary to actually defeat the Imperial Starfleet. If you kill the Federation president and the upper members of the council, the Federation would simply replace them, disruption would be minimal.

If Starfleet (or S31) kills the Emperor and his top "henchmen," any war would end with their deaths.

The federation would leave the rebel alliance to pick up the pieces and go about their merry way.

:)


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