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throwback November 16 2012 03:18 AM

3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
In the episode "Where Silence Has Lease", Commander Riker said that the Yamato had the registry NCC-1305-E.

In the episode "Contagion", a display graphic gave the registry of the Yamato as NCC-71807. It was reported that this registry was on the saucer of the starship.

For a long time, it was not possible to verify this report. Now, with the blue-ray, it's possible to do so. This is an image from Memory Alpha.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Yamato

By zooming in, I can barely out make the ship's name - USS Yamato. Then, I can make out the registry, and, well, it's not NCC-71807. It's something else.

I read NCC-7 80x.
The numeral one appears to be missing.
The last digit is not the same shape as the first digit. I keep seeing 4.

So, now we have three registries for this ship.

I don't know what more to say. I feel this is a mess.

blssdwlf November 16 2012 03:39 AM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
I'm seeing what you're seeing. 7 ?1? 8 0 4

Although, you could explain it as NCC-1305-E was destroyed at some point before this episode and the new ship is NCC-17804. :)

EmperorTiberius November 16 2012 07:49 AM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
Wasn't the one in Where Silence has Lease fake? A reproduction by the alien? My memory is hazy.

I do like the idea of the -E though, sort of another special ship like the Enterprise.

Timo November 16 2012 09:00 AM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
The registry for the one in "Where Silence Has Lease" was verbally given by a main hero, and used as proof positive that this was the real McCoy.

The registry for the one in "Contagion" was seen on two viewscreens (Picard's desktop terminal and Observation Lounge viewer) and might have been corrupted by the computer virus that ultimately destroyed the ship. :devil:

Timo Saloniemi

BK613 November 16 2012 01:28 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
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Timo wrote: (Post 7263478)
The registry for the one in "Where Silence Has Lease" was verbally given by a main hero, and used as proof positive that this was the real McCoy.

The registry for the one in "Contagion" was seen on two viewscreens (Picard's desktop terminal and Observation Lounge viewer) and might have been corrupted by the computer virus that ultimately destroyed the ship. :devil:

Timo Saloniemi

I like that interpretation!

Usually I will go with the wag "NCC-1701-x was a binding resolution from the Federation Council that SF was stuck with" but nothing in that says that it had to be the only time .....:lol:

Timo November 16 2012 02:17 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
The problem with my handwave is that the very first instance of the NCC-71807 is from before Data reports that the downloading of the Yamato logs "should be in our computer by rendezvous". Does that mean the downloading is incomplete (meaning no problem) or that it has not yet commenced (meaning the data aboard the E-D should not be corrupt yet)?

But Picard does appear to be viewing a report of the malfunctions currently plaguing the sister ship, thus he has received at least some data from that ship, thus the corruption probably has already taken place. Yet the other problem relating to this first scene is that it's done with an immobile, backlit Okudagram in a shot where the camera moves; even if there is to be a rewriting of all the 71807s (save for the frankly invisible one on the saucer) into 1305-Es, will the blu-ray people be bothered to alter this graphic? The rest of the problematic logs are pasted on Picard's desktop monitor in postproduction and will need some extra work in any case, and odds are that the registry in the Observation Lounge will be cropped off the picture due to the different format...

Timo Saloniemi

Dukhat November 16 2012 03:53 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
^Or, we could just say that the 71807 registry is the real one, and the other two were just mistakes or changed premises, which was what the producers decided anyway. And it's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before. The Hood's original registry labeled on its saucer in EAF, was 2541. But various computer displays read 42296, and that is the accepted registry. Similarly, the Zhukov's registry labeled on its saucer was 62136, but it's real registry was 26136.

IMHO, accepting that mistakes were made and premises were changed is far better than trying to come up with convoluted leaps in logic to justify production flubs.

B.J. November 16 2012 04:04 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
^ But it's so *fun* trying to bang out the inconsistencies with a sledgehammer! :D

Really, I accept the fact that there are mistakes behind the scenes, but it is interesting to see how it might be possible to reconcile the errors, even if it's just wild conjecture.

Dukhat November 16 2012 04:14 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
^Oh, I'm not saying that it's not fun...it's just not particularly necessary...

Crazy Eddie November 16 2012 07:43 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
Two possibilities:

1) Yamato, unlike some other ships of its class, has a different registry for its saucer section and battle section, possibly alluding to the fact that it spends more time separated than together for some reason.

2) Yamato's logs were corrupted before they were beamed to Enterprise in the first place, which explains the odd registry (it's just sort of a random number dropped in there, part of the Iconian program's attempt to access the ship's navigational codes).

Patrickivan November 16 2012 08:43 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
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newtype_alpha wrote: (Post 7265248)
Two possibilities:

1) Yamato, unlike some other ships of its class, has a different registry for its saucer section and battle section, possibly alluding to the fact that it spends more time separated than together for some reason.

2) Yamato's logs were corrupted before they were beamed to Enterprise in the first place, which explains the odd registry (it's just sort of a random number dropped in there, part of the Iconian program's attempt to access the ship's navigational codes).

Just my two cents here about the different saucer... I really have a hard time with the idea that Galaxy Class saucers are interchable without some modification... As ships are build, systems are never completely the same. And I say this because of what must be a significant primary mission of a ship as it's commissioned for construction, even though of the same class.

On the other hand, I have no Trek evidence to support my vews. They are simply what I envision in this case.

I would lean more towards supporting file corruption.

Chemahkuu November 16 2012 09:17 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
The problem is that in both cases, a main character reads her registry visually and sees no problem with it. The people in each case are not under any alien influence or otherwise impared.

Riker looks out a window, sees 1305 E and from that identifies her as the Yamato. Later Picard sees nothing wrong with 71807 coming up time and time again, a man who took some time and care following the Galaxy class project and gave no objection to Rikers confirmation earlier.

"derp"

blssdwlf November 16 2012 09:30 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
The 1305-E and 71804/7 are from two different episodes, correct? That's more than enough time to have the -E destroyed or retired and a new ship replace it.

Chemahkuu November 16 2012 09:33 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
1305-F then? ;)

Dukhat November 16 2012 10:14 PM

Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?
 
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blssdwlf wrote: (Post 7265824)
The 1305-E and 71804/7 are from two different episodes, correct? That's more than enough time to have the -E destroyed or retired and a new ship replace it.

They were ten episodes apart. If there's roughly one week between eps, then that's two and a half months between the (ghost) ship we see in "Where Silence Has Lease" and the ship in "Contagion," which was already on a mission and not just being commissioned. Can a Galaxy class starship be built in less than 2 1/2 months?


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