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Dingo November 12 2012 02:48 AM

Minbari vs. Klingon
 
I was watching a bit of Babylon 5 today and a though did strike me. In a squad on squad fight (5 vs 5) of Klingon warriors vs. Minbari warriors who would win?

I would assume with weaponry, skills and armor being equal the fight would be even given Minbari are physically quite redundant (I'd put them on the same level as Klingons for physical toughness).

I'd say at close range especially the fight could go either way.

teacake November 12 2012 07:08 AM

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Minbari would psyche them out in the end and kick their asses.

Drago-Kazov November 12 2012 10:03 AM

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Do klingons even fight in squads?

T'Girl November 12 2012 01:05 PM

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As shown on the show, Klingons aren't particularly good hand to hand fighters. A heavily pregnant Kira once dropped one with a single kick to the tummy.

:)

Drago-Kazov November 12 2012 01:18 PM

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He had to be a newbie.

Hartzilla2007 November 12 2012 02:02 PM

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If it was the TOS Klingons all we would hear is the sound of their disruptors as they mow the Minbari down.

Mr. Laser Beam November 13 2012 12:46 AM

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Drago-Kazov wrote: (Post 7243234)
Do klingons even fight in squads?

Yes.

Drago-Kazov November 13 2012 01:32 AM

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I know, i read the Krad klingon books. It's just the fact that we did not see any klingons fighting in units using small group tactics onscreen...

T'Girl November 13 2012 04:15 AM

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In DS9, when the station was boarded/invaded by dozen and dozens of Klingons. Once on the station they fought as individuals, not even in pairs.

:)

Pavonis November 13 2012 07:13 PM

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Quote:

T'Girl wrote: (Post 7243609)
As shown on the show, Klingons aren't particularly good hand to hand fighters. A heavily pregnant Kira once dropped one with a single kick to the tummy.

:)

Are you certain about that? I can't think of any episode between "Body Parts" and "The Begotten" where Kira fought a Klingon hand-to-hand.

Deranged Nasat November 13 2012 08:39 PM

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In terms of a squad of each facing off, I think I'd go with the Minbari as the victors. I think it's because the Minbari have greater discipline. The warrior's life is similar to the life of all their people, regardless of which caste they're in - it's all about duty, self-improvement, acknowledgement of spiritual purpose. Functioning effectively as part of a larger group. The idealized Klingon warrior, which is what Worf attempts to be, is close to this, but in practice Klingons don't live up to those ideals. The discipline is lacking. They fight because they enjoy it, because it's an outlet for their frustrations, and because that's just what Klingons are "meant to do". It's all rather self-indulgent, both on an individual and a society-wide level. Minbari live in a society where such indulgence wouldn't be permitted - a warrior dedicates him- or herself to warriorhood with the intention of being the best he or she can; a Klingon is all too often just a guy who can wave a knife around and brawl.

EmperorTiberius November 14 2012 12:27 AM

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T'Girl wrote: (Post 7243609)
As shown on the show, Klingons aren't particularly good hand to hand fighters. A heavily pregnant Kira once dropped one with a single kick to the tummy.

:)

Surely you mean heavily pregnant, stabbed, Kira? ;)

Fastwalker November 14 2012 09:37 PM

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Deranged Nasat wrote: (Post 7250962)
I'd go with the Minbari as the victors. I think it's because the Minbari have greater discipline.

Completely agree with you Nasat. Klingons boast to be warriors who follow the code of honor. When in reality, to Worf's displeasure, its quite the opposite.

Minbari's Warrior Caste completely dedicate themselves to the Way of the Warrior. Not as a job, but as a state of being or religion. They hone their skills on a daily basis, even as a turret gunner, by themselves and part of a team. Plus, Minbari's civilization is many millennia older than both Klingon and Federation. IMHO, Minbari technology is more advance. (Which gives me an idea for a new topic. Thanks!)

Klingons do train as warriors. But they don't practice like the Minbari does as a religion. Most Klingons are too busy drinking, eating and brawling. Hardly proof they're tougher in combat. Its like the difference between a regular Army soldier versus Special Forces (e.g., SEALs, SAS, GSG9, etc.)

Dingo November 16 2012 11:59 PM

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It would be quite an interesting contest of a Batt'leth vs. a Minbari fighting pike. I would say the X-Factor is the Minbari discipline and utter dedication to their warrior ways. The Klingon's X-Factor is sheer ferocity.

I think a Dahar Master would be able to equal a Minbari warrior in terms of skill and mental discipline.

If this were a Deadliest Warrior Episode I would imagine the two Klingon experts being Worf and Martok with the Minbari experts being Neroon and Kalain. I can see Worf arguing vehemently that the Klingon warrior culture is equal to that of the Minbari.

Nerys Myk November 17 2012 02:49 AM

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They should just headbutt each other like rams


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