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Danlav05 November 10 2012 08:42 PM

Star Trek Fan Reboots
 
Has anyone tried to reboot StarTrek themselves?

There are a few examples in the written form - for example Jeremy Grunloh's reborn project , redoing the original as a 13part cable drama focusing on the original 3, with a female Admiral Nogura and an elderly Mr Sulu with his daughter Demora.

Another one at MZPtv radically changed the Vulcan/Romulan origins, Scotty was female and Uhura is an ambassador.

What about fan films?

Begins looks to be quite different. Maybe someone could do TOS with a NextGen aesthetic? There are some good alternate designs such as 'Matt Damon Kirk' on DeviantART and Gabe Koerner's Enterprise. For me it's about presenting different ideas for curiosity's sake. There are some uniforms out there that are FC style but in the format of the red wraparounds

How about a merger? A fanfic I saw years ago was Stargate: Deep Space 9 withSisko and crew under the command of Admiral Picard.

What. 'alternate' ideas may work on screen? How would you do things different?

Captain Atkin November 16 2012 05:19 PM

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I'm not a big fan of stories that take popular characters, and change the gender of them. Reboots that change the story just for the sake of change don't really interest me. It worked well for Battlestar Galactica, but none of the characters in the new series were the same characters from the original series (same names/different people/different era). With Star Trek, it's fun to play with the alternate universe scenario, but changing the sex and age of characters doesn't really work for me.

Personally, I prefer Star Trek that continues to develop the series that we knew and loved. Star Trek Phase II is great for this, because it feels like an unproduced season 4. Tying up the loose ends between TOS and TMP is cool. For TNG, I would want to see a season 8, or adventures during the TNG movie timeline.

If I were to do an "alternate" Trek, I would probably do one that took place during the Romulan wars, with a few Vulcan charcaters from TOS in it. Or maybe a series set on the Enterprise B or C.

Danlav05 November 17 2012 02:17 AM

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Captain Atkin wrote: (Post 7264531)
I'm not a big fan of stories that take popular characters, and change the gender of them. Reboots that change the story just for the sake of change don't really interest me. It worked well for Battlestar Galactica, but none of the characters in the new series were the same characters from the original series (same names/different people/different era). With Star Trek, it's fun to play with the alternate universe scenario, but changing the sex and age of characters doesn't really work for me.

Personally, I prefer Star Trek that continues to develop the series that we knew and loved. Star Trek Phase II is great for this, because it feels like an unproduced season 4. Tying up the loose ends between TOS and TMP is cool. For TNG, I would want to see a season 8, or adventures during the TNG movie timeline.

If I were to do an "alternate" Trek, I would probably do one that took place during the Romulan wars, with a few Vulcan charcaters from TOS in it. Or maybe a series set on the Enterprise B or C.

Same here I'd love to see Intrepid's Giles Aston star in a post-Nemesis series, however like Hidden Frontier did with their shows I'd bring in characters from other shows - in fact the Enterprise crew would be a bit of a 'dream team' mix from DS9 and VOY filling in for those who left:

Captain - Jean-Luc Picard
First Officer - Worf
Medical - Dr Crusher
Engineer - Geordi LaForge
Tactical/Security - Tuvok
Science - 7of9
Counselor - Ezri Dax
Helm - Nog

They'd be visits to the Titan/DS9 and Janeway would kind of be Picard's boss!

And I absolutely love following Phase II it has really become it's own show now expecially as they've kind of reached the middle between the series and the film. :bolian:

Captain Atkin November 18 2012 12:56 AM

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My ultimate fan-film wish would still be to see a Star Trek: Excelsior fan-film. One that would mix TOS actors with fan-film actors:

Captain Sulu (George Takei)
Commander Chekov (First Officer)(Walter Koenig)
Lt. Tuvok (security)(Tim Russ)
Lt. Peter Kirk (helm) (James Cawley)
Lt. Xela (Communications)(Chase Masterson)
Engineering Officer (new character)
Helmsman # 2 (new character)

I would take Commander Rand away from the Excelsior, and have her work at Starfleet HQ as a Captain.

Danlav05 November 18 2012 02:49 AM

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Captain Atkin wrote: (Post 7271062)
My ultimate fan-film wish would still be to see a Star Trek: Excelsior fan-film. One that would mix TOS actors with fan-film actors:

Captain Sulu (George Takei)
Commander Chekov (First Officer)(Walter Koenig)
Lt. Tuvok (security)(Tim Russ)
Lt. Peter Kirk (helm) (James Cawley)
Lt. Xela (Communications)(Chase Masterson)
Engineering Officer (new character)
Helmsman # 2 (new character)

I would take Commander Rand away from the Excelsior, and have her work at Starfleet HQ as a Captain.

Very interesting one - you know Marc Scott Zicree tried to get a 'Captain Sulu' webseries off the ground - Sulu leading a crew of new, young recruits:

http://marczicree.files.wordpress.co...ries_bible.pdf

At least we potentially have 'Star Trek: Renegades' filling the gap now

Danlav05 November 18 2012 08:08 PM

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I guess my vision is, now Voyager's home, a show would focus on a wider range on characters somehow without being an anthology show as such, like Hidden Frontier had DS12, the Excelsior, the Independence, the Helena etc.

So Not The Next Generation, but rather a merging with DS9 and VOY, with Spock, Chekov, Scotty etc

I love the idea that it's MORE than just the crew of the Enterprise

Captain Randy Hall November 18 2012 10:16 PM

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Captain Atkin wrote: (Post 7271062)
My ultimate fan-film wish would still be to see a Star Trek: Excelsior fan-film. One that would mix TOS actors with fan-film actors:

Captain Sulu (George Takei)
Commander Chekov (First Officer)(Walter Koenig)
Lt. Tuvok (security)(Tim Russ)
Lt. Peter Kirk (helm) (James Cawley)
Lt. Xela (Communications)(Chase Masterson)
Engineering Officer (new character)
Helmsman # 2 (new character)

I would take Commander Rand away from the Excelsior, and have her work at Starfleet HQ as a Captain.

As one of the people who supported the effort by the International Federation of Trekkers to create a Sulu TV series, I'd certainly support something like this. The Phase II episode with Sulu was a lot of fun, so there's good reason to do a fan film on the Excelsior crew. :bolian:

Danlav05 November 19 2012 01:46 AM

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Captain Randy Hall wrote: (Post 7274284)
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Captain Atkin wrote: (Post 7271062)
My ultimate fan-film wish would still be to see a Star Trek: Excelsior fan-film. One that would mix TOS actors with fan-film actors:

Captain Sulu (George Takei)
Commander Chekov (First Officer)(Walter Koenig)
Lt. Tuvok (security)(Tim Russ)
Lt. Peter Kirk (helm) (James Cawley)
Lt. Xela (Communications)(Chase Masterson)
Engineering Officer (new character)
Helmsman # 2 (new character)

I would take Commander Rand away from the Excelsior, and have her work at Starfleet HQ as a Captain.

As one of the people who supported the effort by the International Federation of Trekkers to create a Sulu TV series, I'd certainly support something like this. The Phase II episode with Sulu was a lot of fun, so there's good reason to do a fan film on the Excelsior crew. :bolian:

What was this effort? Zicree's project or something else? It was fun seeing the Excelsior in WEAT!

Ryan Thomas Riddle November 19 2012 03:17 AM

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Danlav05 wrote: (Post 7271479)

Very interesting one - you know Marc Scott Zicree tried to get a 'Captain Sulu' webseries off the ground - Sulu leading a crew of new, young recruits:

http://marczicree.files.wordpress.co...ries_bible.pdf

At least we potentially have 'Star Trek: Renegades' filling the gap now

To be honest, Zicree's concept comes across as fan fiction with Spock's son and paint-by-number characters, many of whom are rather ho-hum and just retreads of races we've seen ad nauseum. However, it's interesting to see a thread to Zicree's latest effort, SPACE COMMAND, in the bible.

"World Enough and Time" withstanding, I'm not much a fan of Zicree's work. His work on TNG and DS9, while he may have originated the concepts for those episodes, wasn't really his own solo efforts and you can see the fingerprints of other writers in them. And the BABYLON 5 script he wrote on his own was so rife with cliche and bland dialogue. While I'm interested in seeing what comes of SPACE COMMAND, Zicree isn't the writer I'd want to see spearhead a STAR TREK series.

And George Takei, as wonderful a personality he is, isn't quite the lead actor that's required to carry a series. Perhaps as a fatherly, mentor-type who isn't the sole focus of the series, I could see. But as the man driving the action, I can't really see it. Never could. That's why I was never interested in a EXCELSIOR series.

Captain Atkin November 19 2012 05:29 AM

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middyseafort wrote: (Post 7275190)
And George Takei, as wonderful a personality he is, isn't quite the lead actor that's required to carry a series. Perhaps as a fatherly, mentor-type who isn't the sole focus of the series, I could see. But as the man driving the action, I can't really see it. Never could. That's why I was never interested in a EXCELSIOR series.

I agree with this... to a point. I think if you paired him with a cast of actors that could hold their own, you could have a cool series. With "Flashback" and "World Enough and Time", Sulu wasn't really given a crew of memorable characters (on the Excelsior) to interact with. They where mostly just window dressing. You would have to develop a crew of interesting characters to make it work, which I think could be done. I also think it would be good to have Chekov as First Officer, simply because Walter and George have always worked well together. You wouldn't get the same sense of comraderie between Sulu and a new character, as you would with Sulu and Chekov.

Danlav05 November 19 2012 03:49 PM

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I think that Sadly the Captain Sulu boat has sailed.

I think he'd be fine now as Admiral Sulu, like he voices the new Federation 'book'. Koenig, with all due respect does look quite a bit older in the Renegades trailer.

Same with the other TOS castmembers bar Nimoy or Nichols I feel.

Captain Atkin November 19 2012 05:22 PM

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Danlav05 wrote: (Post 7276633)
I think that Sadly the Captain Sulu boat has sailed.

I think he'd be fine now as Admiral Sulu, like he voices the new Federation 'book'. Koenig, with all due respect does look quite a bit older in the Renegades trailer.

Same with the other TOS castmembers bar Nimoy or Nichols I feel.

Walter just looks older cause he isn't wearing the wig in Renegades. Put the wig on, add some rose to the cheeks, and he will look just fine. Movie magic ;)

As for Sulu, I would be happy to see him promoted to Admiral, while still serving as Captain of the ship. We saw Admiral Riker in command of the Enterprise, so no reason why Sulu couldn't be an Admiral. I just saw George in an Old Navy commercial last night, and he still looks fine to play the part.

Danlav05 November 19 2012 06:53 PM

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I admit I was surprised when I saw Walter bald a copule of years ago! Did he have a wig for OGAM?

At least he's a part of Renegades. I can see Sulu as an Admiral now, training the 'next generation' of Starfleet Captains. literally! :guffaw:

Captain Atkin November 19 2012 07:18 PM

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Danlav05 wrote: (Post 7277401)
I admit I was surprised when I saw Walter bald a copule of years ago! Did he have a wig for OGAM?

At least he's a part of Renegades. I can see Sulu as an Admiral now, training the 'next generation' of Starfleet Captains. literally!

Yes, he has been wearing a wig for decades (when acting).

Danlav05 November 19 2012 08:39 PM

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I never realised.

Of course the 'To Serve All My Days' work was different, but his look in Renegades matches the timestream.

Of course though it's great to see the Trekvets still involved after all this time!


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