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Admiral_Sisko November 7 2012 09:17 PM

The Genesis Sunrise
 
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...9/tsfs1108.jpg

This scene has always moved me, as it happens at a pivotal moment in The Search for Spock. Kirk has defeated Kruge, but must still find a way off planet and return Spock to Vulcan. I wonder if the scene is supposed to contain an inherent symbolism, because I've always interpreted this scene as "the world is ending, but there is hope for a brighter future," as evidenced by the sunrise. What do the rest of you think?

Timo November 7 2012 09:29 PM

Re: The Genesis Sunrise
 
"Wasn't this the direction of the sunset the last time we looked?"

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0835.jpg

Timo Saloniemi

22 Stars November 7 2012 09:30 PM

Re: The Genesis Sunrise
 
I like it, the matte painting could be better but the music cue is wonderful. Also, what star is that!! ;)

DonIago November 7 2012 10:11 PM

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Isn't that what Kirk sees when he's looking down after knocking Kruge off the ledge? I always thought he was looking into the core of the planet...the overhead part would be the other side of the chasm they fell into.

Admiral_Sisko November 8 2012 12:09 AM

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DonIago wrote: (Post 7222471)
Isn't that what Kirk sees when he's looking down after knocking Kruge off the ledge? I always thought he was looking into the core of the planet...the overhead part would be the other side of the chasm they fell into.

No, it's not. The photo I posted is what he sees as he's climbing back up the rock wall next to the ledge where Kruge fell. He's standing as he looks into the distance, and he can see the horizon clearly.

DonIago November 8 2012 03:04 AM

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I think based on what I thought was the angle of his head I thought he was looking down, not "out", as it were.

Timo November 8 2012 11:39 AM

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The skyline is exactly the same as in that "ice age" image, with the same higher ground close to the camera, but with some new lava flows in the terrain in between.

And there's something weird going on with the planet all right: when Saavik and David settle in a cave after the snowstorm, they witness a slow sunset over this horizon, and when Kirk and friends beam down into a dusky landscape and then wander to the cave and the Klingons there in near-darkness, we supposedly see the sun setting in the same overall direction again. But then, brief moments later, the sun rises again from behind the same horizon! Should we take this as a sign that the planet's surface is massively sinking in that direction? Or that the planet's rotation has been reversed?

Also, the spot at which the sun sinks when David watches is significantly to the right of the spot at which the sun rises when Kirk watches. Even assuming a very small planetoid with a nearby horizon (say, the original Regula rock), that can't be due to mere parallax in camera placement...

Are we perhaps near the poles, looking north or south towards the equator, and the sun wobbles up and down on an acute sinusoidal curve as the planet both rotates and precesses?

Timo Saloniemi

MacLeod November 9 2012 03:09 PM

Re: The Genesis Sunrise
 
Sunrise/Sunset are a visual cue that TV/movies use.

A sunrise is usually associated with a new beginning.

Sunset is a little different, as it can mean a variety of things depending on the context, it quite often means an ending of some sort.

i.e. in SW: AOTC at the very end we see cthe mass ranks of clone troopers and ships taking off with a sunset in the background added to the music cues it's bascially saying it's all downhill from here.

At the end of the Last crusade we see our herpos riding into the setting sun, which is a way of saying the end.

Chemahkuu November 9 2012 04:56 PM

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They did say the planets crust was breaking up. I tend to think the core and mantle were never stable, but only in the final death throws of the planet did the crust really break up as well.

Interesting to think that other parts of the planet were probably already under water, completely volcanic landscapes etc, this was one of the last surviving parts of the planet, it's plate could have dipped sharply and brought the star back into view.

Tom November 9 2012 05:14 PM

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Wher did the sun even come from? The genesis wave made the planet out of the nebula gases and the Reliant, but did it make the sun too?

TiberiusMaximus November 9 2012 08:24 PM

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That's what I want to know!

Chemahkuu November 9 2012 08:35 PM

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Tom wrote: (Post 7230955)
Wher did the sun even come from? The genesis wave made the planet out of the nebula gases and the Reliant, but did it make the sun too?

It's the Regula star, same appearance to the one illuminating Regula 1 earlier in TWoK. The Mutara Nebula and Regula 1 seem to occupy roughly the same part of the goldilocks zone of the system, just a few minutes at full impulse apart (any closer and it may well have ended up the new planets moon).

There was a very lengthy discussion on this in sci-tech recently.

Tom November 9 2012 09:57 PM

Re: The Genesis Sunrise
 
Well the nebula was pretty bright so maybe there was a sun nearby.

Chemahkuu November 9 2012 10:05 PM

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Regula 1 was also very brightly illuminated and as I said they're nearby, so it seems the system has a bright star or it's goldilocks zone is closer to it than Earth is to Sol.

SonicRanger November 10 2012 11:03 AM

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Nebulae are usually star-forming areas. The nebula easily could have had at least one star.

Or it was really a protoplanetary nebula around a sun.


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