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The Overlord November 5 2012 01:53 AM

Was Star Trek 11 too similar to Star Wars?
 
A common complaint of Star Trek 11 is its too similar to Star Wars. Is that a fair complaint?

BillJ November 5 2012 01:56 AM

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
A common complaint of Star Trek 11 is its too similar to Star Wars. Is that a fair complaint?

No. It has far more in common with The Wrath of Khan and Nemesis than it does with Star Wars.

Nerys Myk November 5 2012 01:59 AM

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No.

XFozzboute November 5 2012 02:07 AM

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That whole thing about Star Trek 11 being like Star Wars is just a load of crap.

teacake November 5 2012 02:13 AM

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I predict people will accuse Episode VII of being too much like ST:XII. Or something. Because they both begin with "Star".

Kruezerman November 5 2012 02:26 AM

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Haven't I seen this movie before?

Is this another reboot?

T'Girl November 5 2012 02:54 AM

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
... is its too similar to Star Wars.

Did you have a particular Star Wars episode in mind, or just Star Wars in general?

:)

Dukhat November 5 2012 03:13 AM

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
A common complaint of Star Trek 11 is its too similar to Star Wars. Is that a fair complaint?

This is one of the usual flimsy excuses bandied about by the Trek XI haters to justify why they're completely incapable of liking the film for its own merits.

So no, it's not a fair complaint.

Set Harth November 5 2012 03:27 AM

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
A common complaint of Star Trek 11 is its too similar to Star Wars. Is that a fair complaint?

Once upon a time, there was a film. It had spaceships, lasers, aliens, and faster-than-light travel. It told the story of an originally aimless young man beginning the hero's journey, encouraged by a wise older mentor to follow in the footsteps of his dead hero father who was killed by the film's villain. At the climax, this young man destroyed a dangerous spaceship which had single-handedly annihilated a peaceful planet and threatened to do the same thing to others.

What film am I talking about?

Admiral Buzzkill November 5 2012 03:35 AM

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No.

Nor does a small number of loud trufans repeating something endlessly make it a "common complaint."

Enterprise is Great November 5 2012 05:26 AM

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It just makes it an annoying baseless complaint.

M'Sharak November 5 2012 05:52 AM

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
A common complaint of Star Trek 11 is its too similar to Star Wars.

No, that was a joke... from over three years ago. Almost no one took it seriously then, and I'm a bit surprised to see the question even being asked now.

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
Is that a fair complaint?

Here - you decide:


Valin November 5 2012 06:38 AM

Re: Was Star Trek 11 too similar to Star Wars?
 
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Set Harth wrote: (Post 7203700)
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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
A common complaint of Star Trek 11 is its too similar to Star Wars. Is that a fair complaint?

Once upon a time, there was a film. It had spaceships, lasers, aliens, and faster-than-light travel. It told the story of an originally aimless young man beginning the hero's journey, encouraged by a wise older mentor to follow in the footsteps of his dead hero father who was killed by the film's villain. At the climax, this young man destroyed a dangerous spaceship which had single-handedly annihilated a peaceful planet and threatened to do the same thing to others.

What film am I talking about?

Spaceballs?

Dukhat November 5 2012 06:53 AM

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Set Harth wrote: (Post 7203700)
Once upon a time, there was a film. It had spaceships, lasers, aliens, and faster-than-light travel. It told the story of an originally aimless young man beginning the hero's journey, encouraged by a wise older mentor to follow in the footsteps of his dead hero father who was killed by the film's villain. At the climax, this young man destroyed a dangerous spaceship which had single-handedly annihilated a peaceful planet and threatened to do the same thing to others.

When you put it that way....HOLY SHIT!!! It was the EXACT same movie!!!

...well, not really.:p

AllStarEntprise November 5 2012 07:27 AM

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M'Sharak wrote: (Post 7204366)
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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
A common complaint of Star Trek 11 is its too similar to Star Wars.

No, that was a joke... from over three years ago. Almost no one took it seriously then, and I'm a bit surprised to see the question even being asked now.

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The Overlord wrote: (Post 7203241)
Is that a fair complaint?

Here - you decide:


^ THIS
Lets not forget:
Nero and the Romulans having facial tattoos like Darth Maul from Phantom Menace.

Kirk being stranded in the wilderness on an snow/ice planet. Like Luke was in Empire Strikes back

Kirk nearly getting eaten by a dino crab on the ice planet. Just like Luke nearly getting eaten by a snow monster with horns in Empire Strikes Back.

Kirk getting a vision about his future destiny from elder Spock on the ice planet, similar to Luke's vision on Hoth to go to the Dagobah system from old Obi-Wan.

Luke living on a moisture farm before leaving for his jedi training. Kirk living on a farm before his enlisting in Star Fleet.



Abrams lifted A LOT of imagery from Star Wars. Even more from Star Trek notably Nemesis and TWOK.

Nero being a hated nemesis of Spock for things that were out of Spock's control. Attempting and using a benevolent machine (Genesis/Red Matter) as a WMD. Obessive compulsion to make Spock suffer. etc

The Romulans being bald miners who wear trench coats. Just like the Remans of Nemesis who were bald, miners and wore trench coats.

The Scimitar and Narada looking like sibling ships.
Now people give NEM shit for saying the slave Remans could never build the Scimitar. But Shinzon says it was built at a secret base. Being apart of the military it was most likely not a secret from the Tal Shiar or the military. No way it could be. Probably a secret from the Praetor and senate. With the Narada as it fits in the context of the movie we have no idea where Nero got it, and it's presented that's it's always been that way. The special feature on the dvd say it was upgraded at the HUB after the destruction of Romulus, just like the prequel comic does. Although the timeline of events in the movie contradict that. As well as what the Narada is capable varies of in the movie, comics and special features.


There are more examples but I can't think of them all at present.

I was REALLY irritated by all the praise critics and audiences were giving Star Trek XI back during it's debut. Saying it's the best film out of all of them is laughable because if these people saw the other movies they'd quickly realize that this is a copy and paste film with themes, ideas and imagery lifted from other sources and disguised in a $150 million budget. Presentation is great but you could dissect the movie very easily and find it's parent material in the other NEM, TWOK, A New Hope, TESB, and TPM


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