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thesonofodin October 31 2012 09:30 PM

Timo's Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet
 
I was wondering if Timo or anyone else has an updated guide. I love this work, and find it interesting.

Timo November 1 2012 10:26 AM

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Well, I keep tinkering with it, so v47.314 might be of interest to somebody. But it's still just desk drawer writing at its worst. Links to three rather large pdf sections of the Guide:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/partia.pdf/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/partib.pdf/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...siiandiii.pdf/

Have you all looked through R. E. Mandel's chronology thing? It has pictures!

http://www.jh.kobarg.de/k7/timeline.php?q=fsc

Timo Saloniemi

thesonofodin November 2 2012 04:00 AM

Re: Timo's Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet
 
How do I download them? And for the record, I think you have the best History of Starfleet out there Timo.

Albertese November 2 2012 05:41 AM

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I just right-clicked on them and hit "Save As..." and now it lives in my "TrekBBS" folder.

Easy.

--Alex

thesonofodin November 2 2012 06:07 AM

Re: Timo's Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet
 
I was able to save the first part, but not the other 2. What am I doing wrong?

thesonofodin November 2 2012 06:15 AM

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Never mind, I had to do it in IE instead of Firefox. Thanks Albertese.

Brainsucker November 2 2012 07:10 AM

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what is this guide?

Timo November 2 2012 08:21 AM

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It's just a chronologically arranged encyclopedia of UESF and UFP Starfleet starships, in the style of Bill Gunston combat aircraft books, with a list of specs first, followed by a freeform article on the ship that describes the design, the reasons Starfleet wanted a ship like this, and possible associated pseudohistorical hijinks.

It contains all the canonical starship designs plus at least thrice as many ships from popular noncanon sources, primarily from RPGs (such as FASA or Star Fleet Battles), from computer games (Starfleet Command, Legacy, Starfleet Academy) and from classic books that turn unused sketches by the show's artists (Jeffries, Probert, Sternbach) into actual starships (Ships of the Star Fleet). It also adds ships mentioned or described in novels, and sometimes even in comics. The backstage "making of" books and tech manuals are also included.

It takes considerable liberties with the material to make it maximally consistent with modern canon. It tries to steer clear of introducing all-new, original ships, though, as the wider Trek universe is already chock full of designs. Also, if there exists a shape without a name (say, a study model or a background kitbash) and a name without a shape (a mention in a novel or sometimes even in onscreen dialogue), it tries to merge those two to keep things more compact.

Googling for "Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet" turns up surprisingly many older versions in circulation, mostly at rather filthy upload or torrent sites...

Timo Saloniemi

Brainsucker November 3 2012 06:10 AM

Re: Timo's Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet
 
Oh, it's cool. Thanks for the guide. It helps me a lot with the ships that I wanted to understand more.

Just curious, why I can't find Sisko's Defiant there.... (maybe it just slips from my eyes) and why Nebula and Akira are older than Galaxy Class? I thought Nebula is created with Galaxy Class as it's base, and Akira is built to stand against Borg invasion.

King Daniel Into Darkness November 3 2012 12:03 PM

Re: Timo's Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet
 
These are fascinating. I'm gonna enjoy reading through them:)
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Timo wrote: (Post 7191541)
It takes considerable liberties with the material to make it maximally consistent with modern canon.

*twitch* those nuTrek ships should be far far bigger *twitch*

KamenRiderBlade November 3 2012 05:48 PM

Re: Timo's Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet
 
Timo, do you have the latest version condensed into a rar / zip file for easy downloading off of 1 site?

FKnight November 5 2012 03:24 AM

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This is riveting, Timo. I'm just now getting to the Verne ship construction and I'm sitting back enjoying reading this on a Sunday night. Thank you.

TheRoyalFamily November 5 2012 08:18 AM

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I stayed up past 3am the other night reading this. And that was just the first one.

Did you have specific pictures that you've seen in mind when you wrote the captions, or were you hoping to get folks to make stuff for it?

Timo November 5 2012 12:26 PM

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It's about 90% wishful thinking. Some of the captions are for images that do exist, but usually with a nasty twist to what they are supposed to represent. Say, when I merge the Daedalus class with the Horizon of Spaceflight Chronology fame, I see no reason to dismiss the illustration from pp. 92-93. I just think that's how a neo-cubist would see the familiar sphere-and-cylinder vessel. ;)

Dick Mandel did the opposite with his chronology, wrapping the captions around existing images, sometimes from wholly different representatives of the genre. I do that a bit, too - see the old Jeffries shuttlecraft, say.

Basically, none of the pics match the captions yet, except perhaps by happy coincidence. The pics are there mainly to give an idea of what already depicted ship the text is referring to.

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Timo, do you have the latest version condensed into a rar / zip file for easy downloading off of 1 site?
That's the problem with constant tinkering: I seldom have the patience to wrap the results that way. Have patience, I'll zip it some time this week again.

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Just curious, why I can't find Sisko's Defiant there.... (maybe it just slips from my eyes)
I've divided the ships in three major categories: big "actual" ships, smaller "coastal" types, and very small "craft". And Sisko's ship is small enough to be bumped down from the category of "real" starships to Part II where I also list other escort class vessels, corvettes and whatnot. That's where the Saber class goes, too, on account of being equally diminutive. So, the third pdf, the first half...

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and why Nebula and Akira are older than Galaxy Class?
On account of their registries: the lowest known Nebula ones are lower than the lowest known Galaxy ones. Also, on account of the "nacelles down" ship being more numerous than the "nacelles up" one. I see the Nebula as the basic model which was then taken to luxurious extremes by adding the fancy saucer separation functionality and other bells and whistles. Only a few of the luxury model would be built, as opposed to the barebones design, and the luxury version would only be created after the basic model proved the concept.

Akira has low registries, too. And it looks sufficiently like a member of the family, with the same nearly round saucer, similarly bulging ramscoops and whatnot.

There are few exceptions to the rule of low registry meaning an old ship type in the Guide, at least in the 24th century. Oh, I have played a trick or two with FASA registries there, but canon ones (even for barely glimpsed kitbashes) tend to be treated as sacrosanct and "chronologically revealing".

Timo Saloniemi

DEWLine November 6 2012 04:42 AM

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According to Firefox, I'm missing a couple of plug-ins...?


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