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Dream October 2 2012 02:21 AM

Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
I thought FC was the best TNG movie. Insurrection obviously had problems with the script, the lame humor and the story itself which wasn't epic enough. The directing itself from Frakes was fine.

Apparently, Stuart Baird didn't even watch any episodes of TNG. He seemed more like a fan of TWOK itself than the TNG characters. I think it's telling that Nemesis was Stuart Baird's last film he directed before going back to being a film editor.

C.E. Evans October 2 2012 03:39 AM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
If they were using the same script, the story would have been the same, but the movie probably would have looked different. Directors can make changes to the script, but how much varies from director to director and it kind of depends on how much power with the producers and/or the studio a director has.

Jimi_James October 2 2012 04:30 AM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
Not even the power of Frakes amazing beard could have saved Nemesis, though perhaps he would have allowed Tom Hardy to put some actual feeling and soul into his performance and not toned down the awesomeness he showed during his screen test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6blOgs6r7MM

Trek Survivor October 2 2012 01:49 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
I doubt it would've made much difference. But then, I enjoy "Nemesis".

R. Star October 2 2012 02:33 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
While Frakes directing may put a better face on what was there, it wouldn't change the script. So I'm inclined to think not much. The problem with the movie was the poor script.

grabthars hammer October 2 2012 06:00 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
With that script it wouldnt have mattered if Hitchcock and Scorcese tag-teamed it.

indianatrekker26 October 5 2012 03:42 AM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
ya frakes wouldn't have been able to save Nemesis. The script needed a complete overhaul.

sonak October 5 2012 04:30 AM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
Frakes couldn't help INS, I don't see how he would have helped NEM. A director needs good mateial to work with.

R. Star October 5 2012 05:22 AM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
Yeah, you can have the best cook in the world but if you give him crappy material that's what he's gonna turn out.

SimpleLogic October 5 2012 01:30 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
With the story problems it wouldn't matter who directed. I was always the most disappointed that Romulans were supposed to be the villain and it turned out to be a cheap clone of Picard and a mentally challenged Data. We should have at least got Lore and Sela.

sonak October 5 2012 03:54 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
Quote:

SimpleLogic wrote: (Post 7059610)
With the story problems it wouldn't matter who directed. I was always the most disappointed that Romulans were supposed to be the villain and it turned out to be a cheap clone of Picard and a mentally challenged Data. We should have at least got Lore and Sela.


Lore would have helped the movie tremendously. What if it turned out that "B4" really WAS Lore just pretending to have a different personality?

horatio83 October 5 2012 04:32 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
While Baird was obviously horrible it is too easy to blame him for everything. Stewart wanted the stupid car scene and even bad directing does not excuse the bad acting of the entire main cast. As usual a movie is good or bad for a number of reasons.

R. Star October 5 2012 05:46 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
While I'm not sure Lore would have helped the movie, I remember the first time watching it I was waiting for Lore to at least get a mention. Heck that was the first question out of Geordi's mouth when they found Data's head.

Galileo7 October 5 2012 06:50 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
No. Not with the same shooting script.:sigh:

Captain McBain October 5 2012 07:25 PM

Re: Would Nemesis have been better if Jonathan Frakes had directed?
 
Probably not. Sadly, all of the TNG movies were subpar and had glaring holes in them. The producers should have just made a Season 8 and concluded the series with a 3- or 4-part finale, instead of those crappy movies.


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