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los2188 September 18 2012 04:11 AM

TNG Characters in the JJ-Verse
 
I was just curious...who and how would you bring a TNG character into the JJ-verse Trek for a one time cameo or role. I'm racking my head to figure out how and why, and the only thing I could come up with is after the explosion of the Scimitar, Data's head has been floating around in space for years, and when Spock creates the red matter and all, somehow Data's head goes into the black hole. It's stupid, I know but I'm trying my best to see how we could get a TNG character in new Trek outside of playing someone's distant relative, i.e. Colonel Worf.

Mr_Homn September 18 2012 04:21 AM

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Man they always seem to find data's head in the darndest places, don't they.

I don't think this idea will go over well. I also don't think you'll ever see any tng characters in the jjverse. But if they did, it would probably be data since hes so popular and iconic. It would be even weirder seeing someone else play data than seeing someone else play the tos crew, though. I guess because data wouldn't have the age difference explanation to hand wave it.

UFO September 18 2012 05:16 AM

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I believe its been mentioned some time ago that data's head is already in the JJverse. Not sure what they could do with just a head though. A guess spot on Futurama perhaps?

los2188 September 18 2012 06:00 AM

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UFO wrote: (Post 6977953)
I believe its been mentioned some time ago that data's head is already in the JJverse. Not sure what they could do with just a head though. A guess spot on Futurama perhaps?

You know what, that's a good point. Technically his head is still underground in San Francisco. Maybe they find it, and connect his head to a toaster or some big super computer. I never thought about that...

R. Star September 18 2012 06:06 AM

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Data's head could be buried under San Fransisco from Time's Arrow.... though with the altered timeline, it's speculative if any of that would ever happen or if those soul sucking aliens were ever beaten.

Desert Kris September 18 2012 06:53 AM

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los2188 wrote: (Post 6977761)
I was just curious...who and how would you bring a TNG character into the JJ-verse Trek for a one time cameo or role.

I emphatically wouldn't. I can't remotely fathom what the appeal would be. TNG forged it's own creative direction, with so very few references to Trek's history. I would save all the characters for if/when they jumped forward in Trek's chronology to make Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Movie.

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It's stupid, I know but I'm trying my best to see how we could get a TNG character in new Trek outside of playing someone's distant relative, i.e. Colonel Worf.
I have a great deal of difficulty understanding the appeal of this. Why do it? I ran away from the novels when they went crossover-crazy years back. Pass the torch, pass the torch, I'm sick of the damn torch. F*** the torches and the crossovers! What's the appeal?! Obviously it requires formidable logic-hoops to jump through, without even sorting out how the character would interact in a time and place and with characters where they don't belong. Why is this in any way desirable?

alfredodedarc September 18 2012 07:47 AM

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FYI- The IDW pre-2009 Trek comic crossed over with TNG; Data was there and functional 10 years post- Nemesis. B4 had rebooted and became Data, Picard was still Captain and Geordi helped build Spock's jellyfish craft.
Since Nero came from the original timeline, so did these characters. Whether these guys continue into the alternate JJverse is unanswered but doubtful in the same form.
Bob Orci was deeply involved in the production of these comics and they are considered to be JJverse canon.

F. King Daniel September 18 2012 09:21 AM

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alfredodedarc wrote: (Post 6978316)
Bob Orci was deeply involved in the production of these comics and they are considered to be JJverse canon.

No, they're not. The pushy interviewer asked and asked until Bob Orci said they're canon, but here's what Bob said a few hours after that article (http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/17/excl...canon/#4906397) was posted:
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boborci wrote:
0h please. have a little fun. i said and have said exactly what you just said forever, but Pascale pushed me, he wont give up! i have said a million times that we cant determine what is canon. on this day, i said something else. “consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”


BillJ September 18 2012 02:06 PM

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alfredodedarc wrote: (Post 6978316)
FYI- The IDW pre-2009 Trek comic crossed over with TNG; Data was there and functional 10 years post- Nemesis. B4 had rebooted and became Data...

I don't think Countdown explained how Data got there, but it's been a while since I've read it.

The Wormhole September 18 2012 02:50 PM

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alfredodedarc wrote: (Post 6978316)
FYI- The IDW pre-2009 Trek comic crossed over with TNG; Data was there and functional 10 years post- Nemesis. B4 had rebooted and became Data...

I don't think Countdown explained how Data got there, but it's been a while since I've read it.

It is explained that Data's personality eventually took over the B-4 body. It's all covered in one throw-away line so it's no surpirse that hardly anyone remembers it.

Desert Kris September 18 2012 04:32 PM

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alfredodedarc wrote: (Post 6978316)
FYI- The IDW pre-2009 Trek comic crossed over with TNG; Data was there and functional 10 years post- Nemesis. B4 had rebooted and became Data, Picard was still Captain and Geordi helped build Spock's jellyfish craft.
Since Nero came from the original timeline, so did these characters. Whether these guys continue into the alternate JJverse is unanswered but doubtful in the same form.
Bob Orci was deeply involved in the production of these comics and they are considered to be JJverse canon.

FYI- I am familiar with the Countdown comic. I am aware that Data was resurrected in that storyline. I was under the impression that Picard was not a captain, but a diplomat or embassador.

I don't have strong feelings about elements from Countdown; some things I like, some things I casually question.

But if we're talking about Countdown as lending weight to there being precedent for TNG characters crossing into "nuTrek's" TOS era, let's review the characters that do cross over. Nero is an original character who is not strongly associated with TNG's era. Most of the audience for Star Trek (2009) would not have read the comic, and wouldn't have a predisposition to connect Nero with TNG era. Then there's Spock, a character who, spiritual and thematically, belongs to TOS era. In one sense, he has returned to a place and time that is home. Extensive usage in the TNG era beyond a certain point would be intrusive.

So Countdown does not sway me in this matter.

Sindatur September 18 2012 04:43 PM

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Yea, if we get a TV Series based upon the JJTrek TOS Universe, and in S4 or 5, they want to do some timey-wimey thing for an episode, or a two parter, and bring someone back (or maybe even tie in something like Parallels), sure that might be cool, but, no legitimate reason/excuse, IMHO, to pull something like that in the JJ Theatrical movie Trilogy or early on in a possible TV Series

BillJ September 18 2012 05:01 PM

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Sindatur wrote: (Post 6979639)
Yea, if we get a TV Series based upon the JJTrek TOS Universe, and in S4 or 5, they want to do some timey-wimey thing for an episode, or a two parter, and bring someone back (or maybe even tie in something like Parallels), sure that might be cool, but, no legitimate reason/excuse, IMHO, to pull something like that in the JJ Theatrical movie Trilogy or early on in a possible TV Series

At the rate we're going, season four or five will be airing sometime around 2020. Some of the TNG cast will likely no longer be with us.

Ovation September 18 2012 06:25 PM

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Well, the OP did say character, not actor, so that shouldn't necessarily be a limitation. Besides, 2020 is only seven years and a bit away.

Temis the Vorta September 18 2012 07:48 PM

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Data would be by far the best one to bring in. Alan Tudyk could play him, if he isn't too old by this point too. if not, hey, maybe Jim Parsons. I can't see the other TNG characters working, they're not iconic enough.


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