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Sexy Human September 5 2012 09:53 AM

I just started watching E2
 
So lets have a thread about this episode, because its Teacakes favorite episode of the 3rd season.

teacake September 5 2012 09:57 AM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
It's actually my favorite episode of the entire series.

R. Star September 5 2012 06:32 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
I disliked it. Yet another dead horse time travel reset button pushing episode with no real purpose other than a filler episode in the Xindi plot.

Mach5 September 5 2012 07:07 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
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R. Star wrote: (Post 6914801)
I disliked it. Yet another dead horse time travel reset button pushing episode with no real purpose other than a filler episode in the Xindi plot.

Agreed. That episode sucked shit.

NrobbieC September 5 2012 07:10 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
E2 doesn't really have a reset button, not in the sense of Year of Hell where it never happened. The actions of the future crew weren't undone and there's no conclusive proof they ceased to exist.

It is a very good episode.

Sexy Human September 5 2012 09:12 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
I didnt like it much either. Just dull.

BillJ September 5 2012 10:12 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
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R. Star wrote: (Post 6914801)
I disliked it. Yet another dead horse time travel reset button pushing episode with no real purpose other than a filler episode in the Xindi plot.

Bingo.

R. Star September 5 2012 10:40 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
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Mach5 wrote: (Post 6914945)
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R. Star wrote: (Post 6914801)
I disliked it. Yet another dead horse time travel reset button pushing episode with no real purpose other than a filler episode in the Xindi plot.

Agreed. That episode sucked shit.

I couldn't begin to match your eloquence.

But never let it be said I didn't try. The first bit is there's really nothing original about this one. Children of Time anyone? This exact concept down to the accident sending the crew back in time and their descendants running into them. They even so the same routine, who hooked up with who in the future conversations. And again, the same conflict between the descendants and main crew about maintaining the descendants timeline with almost the same resolution too. The reset button was pushed as if it had never happened in the end. T'Pol's argument about them remembering isn't exactly convincing being there are multiple incidents of Time Travel resets that Trek characters remember... like the aforementioned Children of Time for example.

Plus this whole episode is just a blatant filler. The Xindi plot arc is really coming to a climax with Archer about to appear before the council and they throw this one at us? Just when you really start to get into an Enterprise story arc, it's like they deliberately try and come up with something to mess it up. Sure, I get the need that over a 26 episode season sometimes you do need random filler episodes that don't have much to do with the overall story arc, but to put it right in the middle of the climax of the season's arc?

There were some nice character bits in this one with Trip, Lorian and both T'Pols, but that's all that's really not enough to make the episode enjoyable to me. Last time I rewatched the Xindi arc I did just skip this one... you can do that and lose nothing in the storyline.

teacake September 5 2012 10:45 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
E2 is an episode that fleshes out T'Pol and Tucker's possible relationship. It's not like the crew forgets what they saw, this stays with her.

R. Star September 5 2012 11:33 PM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
As I said, there were some nice character bits. I wouldn't really call it development though being nothing really came of it. I was thinking surely they'd use it to get T'Pol to back out on chickening out on Trip the morning after... but nothing really came of it. It wasn't even mentioned during the Terra Prime arc to say nothing of their surprise then that a Vulcan/human baby could work.

Mach5 September 6 2012 12:14 AM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
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R. Star wrote: (Post 6916130)
I couldn't begin to match your eloquence.

And English isn't even my native tongue. How about that? :D

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R. Star wrote: (Post 6916130)
Children of Time anyone?

Children of Time sucked shit too.

HopefulRomantic September 6 2012 12:57 AM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
Okay, we're done with "sucked shit."

R. Star September 6 2012 01:07 AM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
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HopefulRomantic wrote: (Post 6916736)
Okay, we're done with "sucked shit."

Thank you.

teacake September 6 2012 08:02 AM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
Well I loved E2. It was the ultimate fangirl wankery but it was just delicious. Lorian was a great character who actually looked like both his parents. Old T'Pol reminds me of Old Spock in ST:XI.. you can see how at peace and mellowed Vulcans become in advanced age, less striving and more accepting. I love time travel and the what if scenario was so well done.. lots and lots and lots of Denobulan children and poor Reed without offspring. Archer walking with his great-something grand daughter. Old T'Pols affection for Trip after decades without him :adore:.. and young T'Pol's stubborn refusal to take advice from what if scenarios.

lurok September 6 2012 10:17 AM

Re: I just started watching E2
 
^:techman:

Yes, it's a rerun of another story (like we've never seen that before on Trek) and it's one of several episodes that halts the xindi flow, but I've never been that big a fan of the season arc anyway.


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