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RB_Kandy August 30 2012 08:16 AM

how many people on a transporter
 
On the transport of the Enterprise (Kirk's ship), what would be the maximum amount of people that could be beamed off the ship at one time?

Bry_Sinclair August 30 2012 09:41 AM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
On Kirk's Enterprise the dais had places for six people. Though a lot of ship specs also have larger evacuation/emergency pads as well, which can beam around 20 people at one time.

Timo August 30 2012 12:15 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
The question of maximum number never really arose, but it's remarkable that we never saw more than six people beamed at a time. Indeed, in "The Apple", it appears that at first, six people beam down, and only then do three more appear - and no explicit story logic is provided for why the latter three (McCoy and two guards) would have opted to be delayed.

On the other hand, the number of pads on the transporter platform doesn't seem to be closely related to what is being transported, considering that people and objects may extend past the limits of a pad or cover several of them (say, when lying down injured). Which makes for an odd contrast with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" where the unconscious Gary Mitchell is deliberately held standing upright within the supposed "confines" of a single pad, and our other two characters pull their supporting hands away for the duration of the transport! Such a weird maneuver would seem to require pretty pressing reasons, which are never given.

On a separate issue, the ship probably had several of those six-pad transporters, as the single set underwent modifications that more or less force us to assume it represented several separate spaces. Moreover, the transporter was indicated to be on different parts of the ship in different episodes - for example in "Dagger of the Mind" it brings van Gelder to the lower levels rather than to the more familiar saucer Deck Seven. But perhaps only one platform could send its signal down to the target planet at a time, explaining "The Apple"? Certainly some transporter resources were bottlenecks and single points of failure, as seen in "The Enemy Within"...

Timo Saloniemi

Wingsley August 30 2012 08:58 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
Let's not forget "Day of the Dove", in which significantly more than six people were successfully. Also in "The Apple", Spock gets attacked by the Rose of Sharon from Hell and Kirk orders everyone beamed up simultaneously.

Timo August 31 2012 07:22 AM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
Oops, I did forget. Thanks for the correction; "Day of the Dove" would seem to make it clear that one transporter console can beam up at least nine people simultaneously - although one transporter platform is only shown materializing five people at a time, while the others are "on hold", perhaps being interpretable as the combined use of two transporter platforms and their separate "hold areas" or buffers.

What might be the largest number of people beamed up or down at one go with UFP technology? Supposedly the entire Baku village was to go in ST:INS, and there were plenty of refugees inside the system in "Counterpoint", but the simultaneous materialization or dematerialization was not demonstrated in those cases.

Timo Saloniemi

Mark_Nguyen August 31 2012 02:36 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
In VOY "Prophecy" they beamed the entire shipload of Klingons off their exploding ship, and rematerialized them all in the shuttlebay; however this had some to-do associated with it.

Mark

Mars August 31 2012 04:42 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
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Timo wrote: (Post 6884888)
The question of maximum number never really arose, but it's remarkable that we never saw more than six people beamed at a time. Indeed, in "The Apple", it appears that at first, six people beam down, and only then do three more appear - and no explicit story logic is provided for why the latter three (McCoy and two guards) would have opted to be delayed.

On the other hand, the number of pads on the transporter platform doesn't seem to be closely related to what is being transported, considering that people and objects may extend past the limits of a pad or cover several of them (say, when lying down injured). Which makes for an odd contrast with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" where the unconscious Gary Mitchell is deliberately held standing upright within the supposed "confines" of a single pad, and our other two characters pull their supporting hands away for the duration of the transport! Such a weird maneuver would seem to require pretty pressing reasons, which are never given.

On a separate issue, the ship probably had several of those six-pad transporters, as the single set underwent modifications that more or less force us to assume it represented several separate spaces. Moreover, the transporter was indicated to be on different parts of the ship in different episodes - for example in "Dagger of the Mind" it brings van Gelder to the lower levels rather than to the more familiar saucer Deck Seven. But perhaps only one platform could send its signal down to the target planet at a time, explaining "The Apple"? Certainly some transporter resources were bottlenecks and single points of failure, as seen in "The Enemy Within"...

Timo Saloniemi

I have the official blueprints to the Enterprise D and indeed there are multiple transporter rooms, and also multiple cargo transporters as well, and multiple holodecks as well. The holodecks have built in replicators as well, so if someone eats something that came from the holodeck, it was real food he ate, same reason why Wesley Crusher fell into the pond on the holodeck in the first episode, and was still wet when he stepped out of the Holodeck.

Another interesting thing is there are tanks for dolphins on the lower decks of the Enterprise even though they weren't seen in the series. Also this ship has a Captain's Yacht, which was never used during the Next Generation series. The Enterprise E version of that Yacht was used in the subsequent movies.

Timo August 31 2012 05:58 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
The fact that there are multiple transporter rooms aboard Picard's E-D was never really in dispute: basically every time they used a transporter room, they specified its number ("Room 3" was over-represented), and for example "11001001" included dialogue about a very large number of transporter rooms, up to "transporter twenty".

However, the transporter rooms of Kirk's ship were never mentioned in plural or given numbers. So we have to go for speculation and deduction in this case (which is closer to what the original poster was interested in).

Timo Saloniemi

Elvira August 31 2012 08:11 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
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Timo wrote: (Post 6890129)
Day of the Dove" would seem to make it clear that one transporter console can beam up at least nine people simultaneously

In The Apple perhaps the transporter could have dematerialize the first six and held them, then dematerialized the additional three, and rematerialized all nine at the same time?

Using this method, the Enterprise with only a single six pad transporter could materialize a hundred "Starfleet Marines" on a planet's surface all at the same time.

:)

blssdwlf September 1 2012 12:49 AM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
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T'Girl wrote: (Post 6892511)
Quote:

Timo wrote: (Post 6890129)
Day of the Dove" would seem to make it clear that one transporter console can beam up at least nine people simultaneously

In The Apple perhaps the transporter could have dematerialize the first six and held them, then dematerialized the additional three, and rematerialized all nine at the same time?

Using this method, the Enterprise with only a single six pad transporter could materialize a hundred "Starfleet Marines" on a planet's surface all at the same time.

:)

It would depend on how much power was available and the number of clear transporter frequencies. I think the TOS-E had multiple transporter rooms but only one was active at a time. If all were active, they could be all used to do a "tactical" aka fast beam down.

Wingsley September 2 2012 11:37 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
Quote:

Timo wrote: (Post 6891971)
The fact that there are multiple transporter rooms aboard Picard's E-D was never really in dispute: basically every time they used a transporter room, they specified its number ("Room 3" was over-represented), and for example "11001001" included dialogue about a very large number of transporter rooms, up to "transporter twenty".

However, the transporter rooms of Kirk's ship were never mentioned in plural or given numbers. So we have to go for speculation and deduction in this case (which is closer to what the original poster was interested in).

Timo Saloniemi

If you go strictly by on-screen canon, there are some contradictory signs, but never anything conclusive. There is the repeated reference by Kirk and others to "the transporter room" generically, but never anything conclusive that it was singular or plural in terms of the overall ship's equipment.

Now, Stephen Whitfield & Gene Roddenberry were conclusive in "The Making of Star Trek" in '68. They specified multiple six-man transporter rooms, as well as 22-man and cargo facilities as well.

Brown-Eyed Ghoul September 2 2012 11:56 PM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
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Wingsley wrote: (Post 6902108)
. . . Stephen Whitfield & Gene Roddenberry were conclusive in "The Making of Star Trek" in '68. They specified multiple six-man transporter rooms, as well as 22-man and cargo facilities as well.

Specifically:
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There are eleven personnel and cargo transporter stations aboard the vessel. Four are the familiar main operational stations, two are cargo transporters, five are emergency personnel transporters which can handle twenty-two people each but involve a risk factor at such power loads and are limited to use in ship-abandoning emergencies.

Wingsley September 3 2012 02:48 AM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
Which page was that on? I don't have my book handy right now...

Brown-Eyed Ghoul September 3 2012 03:05 AM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
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Wingsley wrote: (Post 6902759)
Which page was that on? I don't have my book handy right now...

It's on page 192 of my copy (1968 edition, 10th printing).

Avro Arrow September 3 2012 04:57 AM

Re: how many people on a transporter
 
Quote:

Timo wrote: (Post 6890129)
"Day of the Dove" would seem to make it clear that one transporter console can beam up at least nine people simultaneously - although one transporter platform is only shown materializing five people at a time, while the others are "on hold", perhaps being interpretable as the combined use of two transporter platforms and their separate "hold areas" or buffers.

In a similar vein, at the end of The City on the Edge of Forever, we saw seven people dematerialized simultaneously from the planet's surface. Of course, we never saw how they materialized back aboard ship.


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